Danioover9000

@DefinitelyNotARobot Ys, that spirituality and creativity bit IMO comes later, but when artists start out, or any type of worker, they have to put in some work and training first. Even in drawing and art they have fundamentals and history for a good reason, and progression for a good reason. They initially in their journey have to have a clear, concrete and specific life vision and LP, and mission statement they working towards, especially for young people! They WAY too soon to be worried over spirituality when they need massive action taking. Yes, in your second paragraph that's the relativity of survival, legal issues, intellectual property laws, and copyright issues. They all exist to protect the smaller artists from the bigger companies, for good reasons especially when that theft effects the income and livelihood of that artist. Yes , this is the epistemic problem of egalitarianism, and having equal rights across the board. That's in theory, but again those laws exist to protect the owner of the service/product, the copyright law, the intellectual property law, and other legalities around fair use, all very important for an artist's and even business's livelihood. You don't want someone or some company plagiarizing your work, effecting your income, and have little to no legal action back.

@hundreth Ok, so the European Zionists, after transfer from the British mandate onto USA, they gentle nudged the indigenous Palestinians away from their lands, and made settlements in peace. Let's just forget the alt right did violently displace and genocide most of them into smaller and smaller lands over time.

@hundreth No, I think he meant 100% of Palestinians, and yes maybe you're right that it's too late for negotiations dating back to 1948, because it's almost one hundred years old now. And yes, because there are 100 new issues currently we must forget about the Al Nakba, the Oslo Accords, the other events in that 80 year timespan, because the new hundred issues are too much for Millennials and Gen Z to handle with, and they hate history because it's boring to contextualize this conflict. Also laws are written after the fact it happened.

@Nivsch Okay then, can you provide a more accurate mapping of that region, with exact topography and populations of Palestinians to Israeli over that 80 year timespan? And if you're right that much of Palestinian land, about half is uninhabitable desert, then it makes the genocide, land grabbing, and displacement of Palestinians overtime far more severe.

@Karmadhi This is a lesson on the traps, on being wrong and being self deceiving, on propaganda, on ideology and dogma. This is what lies can do to generations of people overtime.

@hundreth Well that happened after the fact, and made legal afterwards. For example the Peterloo massacre in the UK happened, and both during/after the parliament then signed a bunch of papers to legally justify that massacre. So? Yes, people come and go in any land, except during the British mandate and when immigration of European Zionists were small, the majority of that land belonged to Palestinians largely. Sorry but people come and go is weak justification for Zionists taking over Palestinian lands violently. That's Hitler's excuse as well, because people come and go he can do WW2 and genocide the Jewish population, because people come and go. This is as crazy as Destiny's hypothetical of nuking Gaza /=/ genocidal intent, because people die when they are killed, and when people die too many times, it's not genocide...

@Karmadhi True. True. True. True, but needs more explanation. True, but British offered military training towards European Zionists they immigrated into Palestine, over the Arabs, and they also don't have many military weapons. Same later when the USA signed them in and supplied Israel with weapons and military training. True. True. True,

@hundreth Oh really? They kept a strong faith in their Judaism? Can you explain to me then, when Britain had to hand over the Jewish state to the USA, that most of the European Zionists in charge, according to Aljazeera's documentary on the Al Nakba, why did the Zionists not honor the Jewish holiday of Sabbath, instead opting to one day earlier coordinate the expulsion of Palestinian workers and other Palestinian citizens right before the USA signed into recognition of the Jewish state-the state of Israel? Why did they bend around that religious holiday for that? And is it considered a religious norm for those following Judaism to be extensively planning, and espionage of Palestinians and the quality of their lands?

@Nivsch Yes, without the ultra far right European Zionists Palestine would have been a state sooner, and the indigenous population there that preexisted British rule in that area and European Zionists coming onto their lands they wouldn't have to experience such apartheid and oppression by them. Again look at Aljazeera documentary on the Al Nakba, all is laid bare there, the planning and strategizing and exploitation of the European Zionists onto Palestinians that were already there before. Look at how they planned like hyper nationalists wanting a greater Israel! What caused the IDF to be like that was support militarily from Great Britain before they had to give up on the Jewish state because they launched violent protests and coordinated attacks on British officers, yes this did happen, and handed them over to the USA then, which they signed in their recognition of a Jewish state-sorry I mean the state of Israel...

@integral So you're saying that a too specific, clear, and too narrow mission statement/life purpose is weak versus a general, ambiguous, too broadly defined mission statement/life purpose? BTW mission statements/life purpose don't have to only align with creativity, there are thousands of other values and principles to align to besides creativity. Is those artists' feelings of upset justified though? For example, an artist with a specific alignment to drawing life purpose, who finally has a job of editing images and creating cover art, working in a medium sized art company, has been using years of traditional methods in editing and making cover art and illustrations, sometimes digitally, then get's the news from employers/employees rumors of an A.I generating image being implemented into the work space, and rumors of upcoming lay offs for more productivity and faster content creation. Then the next year lay offs happen, and in that list it's you, would you be justified in feeling a bit upset? Also, the main problem is not that A.I generation content lands into freelance people or indie artists independent working solo, but most realistic outcome on average is big tech companies in wolf of wall street fashion, use A.I to scrap as much from small businesses and smaller artists from the web, living and dead, and monopolize and squeeze their competitions down too much. I agree with digital/traditional methods of making movies or games, it's longer and more time/energy consuming, but higher quality. A.I would definitely shorten the time/energy/attention cost of making higher quality products, but again which group would immediately benefit and capitalize on A.I? the little small business owners and indie artists, or the bigger companies?

@NightHawkBuzz True, in the animal kingdom most of that occurs naturally. Death, orcas killing a Seal by first playing with it, then killing it. Sickness can happen a lot. Mass killings and genocide happens, just look at Hornets killing bees or ant colonies fighting another ant colony or going through the forest floor killing other insects. Tasmanian devils and desert chameleons do have rough mating paterns and rape. Cuckoo birds also from birth committ infanticide and trick the mother to continue feeding it. Police shooting isn't what the animal kingdom can do though.

@hundreth Yes, the European Zionists and maybe the GB mandate in that area, if they lost in 1948 would mostly be expelled. But the indigenous population of Palestinians ther didn't have much training in military and had much guns, meanwhile the European Zionists received too mucb support and the rigbt wing received military support, won the war, and when GB wanted to divert some Zionists to other parts, the ultra far right Zionist group did attacks on GB soldiers and killed a couple. Decades later those who killed that officer are in the Likud party in charge. Once again, Jewish Nationalism is the problem that Albert einstein pointed out that it is adopting very similar values to German nationalists, nobody listened or ignored, continued and we end up with Israel/Palestine today.

This is literally a cursed place, a spiritual trap that looks beautiful, but it's a nexus for dark entities. Unbelievable but true story: They really should've told that guy why they refused to sell, can't believe they kept their mouth shut about that haunted town to that guy. Now he lost his wife essentially. Take spiritual protection serious folks!

@Karmadhi Yes, that's basically it, they want their land back, and Palestine to be recognized as a state.

@UnbornTao I think the lion meant humans should empty out the data and A.I generated content to understand the A.I.

@MsNobody I think it's gone for whatever reason, I'll double check later but really it's literally the first thread that I used Spiral Dynamics to categories pornography into stages. I swear you'll recognize usernames in that thread that today are mods, and boy a few of them writing styles were different then, less pc!😂

@Lyubov Or in the next 10 years Tik Tok, Twitter, YouTube, Twitch, Kick, and other social media become so much more addictive and that good at creating and maintaining addiction patterns that humans cannot become independent in thinking and being from those digital technologies.

@hundreth How am I ranting and retreading ground?

@hundreth For the hundredth time, This situation is mostly Israel's Likud Party's fault for mistreating the Palestinians for 80 years like this. They are destroying too many infrastructure in Gaza, promising chances for many other terrorist groups to happen again. All this forces the Palestinians to vote in HAMMAs, and they forced them into being HAMMA's hostages, if only IDF and the Likud party recognized them as a state and provided social infrastructure and a small military and police force. All that would've allowed the Palestinians to not be captured by HAMMAs radicalization. And both sides are using the hostages for their aims.

@Nilsi I disagree about Ken Wilbur. He's accomplished quite a bit and has a very good mind to be able to create the Integral Theory modal. A real gifted mind.

@Juan Yes, it's normal when they're so 3d to interact with. Nothing like those clips or images of beautiful people to para socialize to.

@hundreth A long time ago... A fallacy to assume I always make straw mans of your position or your best friends @Vrubel, @Heaven, @Nivsch, and @Lila9. I have argued fairly accurately against your Zionist talking points so far... What is wrong with my framing of this situation? That Israel's Likud party been oppressing and subjugating Gaza and West Bank under the iron dome? Full lock down by land, sea and air? For 80 plus years since the Al Nakba holding Palestinians as hostages? I'm not talking about Oct 7 when that's a mere drop in the ocean to the horrific oppression done by the right wing Zionists onto Palestinians for decades. A large thorn on the side of the Likud party? Meaning if Israeli hostages were not there, then they'd happily destroy all of Gaza's buildings to the ground and deport most Gazans elsewhere huh?

@trenton Probably not, as shining awareness to this issue will help more than harm. This is also the side effect of too much using the social media sites, and how toxic these sites have become like Tik Tok, Twitch, Kick, Twitter, even YouTube.

Just to show you what the French colonials and the USA government are capable of:

@Merkabah Star Further proof of how Israel, IDF, and the Likud party are so morally superior after all, makes sense with them being the chosen?