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@Twentyfirst That's logically valid. Tricky issue though is at the time of the Al Nakba majority of Palestinians, even if they wanted to fight back, they had no training or weapons to do so. What to do when you have no military training, or even rifles and other guns???

@Gennadiy1981, @Vrubel, stop trolling!! Stop dragging the quality of this thread DOWN with you bickering at @Raze, @Twenty and @zazen. Mods we need some control here, where you at @Leo Gura and @Carl-Richard???

If Graham Hancock is even 5% right in his theory, that's amazing to consider a civilization more advanced than today: If modern machines can't move stones like that easily, how did they move and shape them???

@Karmadhi Me too, although my feeling is it's half trolling half serious. Fine either way as long as we all behave...

@Karmadhi 😂

@Nivsch, @Vrubel, @Gennadiy1981 and @hundreth, you guys are WILDING! I say @zazen and even @Merkabah Star and Leo are making more sense than you guys are. The logical fallacies runs DEEP!

@zazen I've always interpreted that Gaza nuke joke from Destiny as him trying to say that massive deaths, massive casualties too many to count or data set/=/genocide or genocidal intent. IMO that's just insane take from him. Like the only way from him to justify this is to bring in asteroid impacts, say on the scale that wiped out the dinosaurs and say well it's such a cataclysmic event that it surely isn't genocide, and if it's genocidal and genocidal intent, this must mean that a bunch of aliens civilizations have manipulated space time and trajectory for an asteroid to impact earth to begin with.

@Raze You mean Israel or Iran funded HAMMAs?

@Inliytened1 And if there's always a few bad apples in the basket, would you agree that the farmer has to have enforcement means to deal with those few bad apples, to remove and coup them out if they refuse to leave? That's what I mean about that 80s years that Israel and Zionists in charge did to Palestinians, slowly taking land, settlements, and demilitarized Palestinians such they don't have even the means to coup HAMMAs now, see what I mean? That's why IMO Israel has greater burden here for contributing to this mess to begin with. If they recognized Palestine as a state, and helped it out a little, allowed them a police force, then Palestinians could have chance to civil war with HAMMAs and throw them out if such. And wait a minute, didn't you say fair enough minutes ago??? What's with this 180 degree plot twist???

@zazen On a side note, what triggered me with the nuke example is that Destiny did use that example, to say that even if Israel did drop a nuke it's not proof of genocidal intent, and this hypothetical was said like a joke from him....another reason why I hate Destiny because that hypothetical implies that large numbers massacred/=/genocide or genocidal intent. This was said in his Normand Finkelstein versus Destiny debate on Lex Fridman, another grifter I passionately hate. It's like if I said to you @zazen that I'm sending a nuke to your location, you and all friends and family will die, but I'm not genocidal intent on you, you and others are just casualties because I'm trying to eradicate lizard people living underneath you, that to me is an insane justification.

@Inliytened1 What can you realistically expect from @zazen? Ever since Al Nakba, the Oslo accords, the springs, Israel's been slowly for 80 years expanding and creating small settlements for Zionists, and have demilitarized and made any statehood for Palestinians extra hard. Palestinians don't even have their own police force, so when HAMAs came and took over after Palestinians held that election, and later they find out how extreme HAMAs is, they themselves don't have military or police to coup the HAMAs. Even peace attempts were getting denied more from Israel and less from Palestine! So sorry, IMO Israel holds the greater burden for having created conditions for HAMAs taking over so easily. If they don't want HAMAs in charge, they should never have defanged Palestine so severely over those 80 years, recognized them as a state, and at least helped them make a police force for Palestine's state.

@Karmadhi It's still a silly argument point there. Like not always is the case you need direct experience, then you make your commentary or argument. In some cases direct experience is impossible, or too inconvenient for a person. For example you can argue and make theories/discussions about volcanoes and lava, you do not necessarily need to be inside a volcano, as trips and travel might be expensive, logistics harder, and even touching lava could cause severe injuries or death. The main problem with this framing is that the other side can insinuate and downplay the other side's more justified and sound argument against it by saying you just lack experiences to say anything=being unsound and invalidates your argument. That's not true.

@Inliytened1 A bit of a stretch to assume @zazen was arm chair judging, and having never fled a 'damn thing' or have been made to 'fled anything'? And even if he lacks that experience, does that mean @zazen's points so far are invalid and unsound in this Israel/Palestine conflict? And why personify Israel as a female??? I think you need to chill a bit if you're getting triggered...

@Inliytened1 What's your beef with @zazen? He's basically saying a war of defense from Israel was this bad, how bad would it be if Israel had an offensive war? That's all.

@Schizophonia Sometimes there's more than one factor.

@Raze I agree, Joe Biden needs to step down and get replaced. If that's how he's answering it's time he steps down. I don't care if he'll get replaced by a new democrat or Even Donald Trump taking the W, how he answers is EXTREMELY CONCERNING! They really have lost the plot with this one...

@josemar And under Tony Blair and the Labor party they screwed up the economy. And more other failures that should make you rethink ever voting labor. If you really hate the UK, you'd vote labor. That's the quickest way to ruin the country.

Is all this data and polling from within this year and the year before?

@BlueOak That's fine, but I'm just giving you a heads up if that thread is reported to be a duplicate thread and you're warned about it. Just saying.😊 I'll be checking out that thread though!

@Schizophonia You are pardoned for calling me mistress.😊

@Schizophonia Fair enough, you're entitled to opinion like that. I just think it's way more than that.

@Juan I thought @Leo Gura, @Carl-Richard and @OBEler reminded you to leave me alone and stop instigating drama??? And no I won't respond and derail this thread.

@Schizophonia How does that one factor of chronic stress outweigh the other factors involved? Yes, that's her survival strategy, so what's your beef with her strategy then?

Yes I am right again, Daniel Schmachtenberger on that niave techno optimism. I personally don't mind, but optimism IMO for individuals is very important when life gets hard, dark, and depressing. Hope, optimism, self belief, and faith can work a long way into recovering from darkness. Optimism on the collective level is debatable, but what isn't IMO is collective naive realism versus collective naive optimism, naive optimism IMO is much better than naive hardcore realism, pessimism, cynicism, and so forth.

@BlueOak Be careful of starting duplicate threads covering the same topics.