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What are your thoughts about this interview? I thought it's not that good: Even Destiny is dunking on this one.

@Heart of Space I thought the furthest right-wing position is racism, ethnocentrism, and ethnic cleansing, which are limits and excesses of SD blue. Mass level crimes like mass shootings, mass looting, mass geocoding, mass sexual assaults and collective enslavement of inferior cultures is also SD excesses of blue/red/purple, somewhat purple but due to the scale it's no longer offshoots of tribal warfare between 100-1,000 tribal men/women, but between 10,000 to as many as millions-billions of people. True, if Russia and Germany teamed up, except the ideologies of Adolf Hitler was Nazism, but it still has small features of traditionalism from Germany culture, and when Adolf Hitler heard news of Stalin's communism allowing women into the Russian army, it was enough to disturb him because he still had traditional cultural Germanic values of what traditional women and men should be done as, so news that his Russian military was this liberal worried and disturbed Adolf enough that he committed to converting the entirety of Russia into Nazism at any cost, whilst trying to front friendliness towards Stalin towards the issue of Poland invasion. Of course, Stalin wasn't that naive, Machiavellian and Narcissistic enough to prepared himself against Germany. Also at that time, Japan was allies with Germany and had territorial disputes with the Russians and a few skirmishes, whilst Spain was still in debt towards Germany owing billions to them. Germany, in this case Adolf Hitler, could have chosen to negotiate a debt relief to Spain in the condition it allies with Germany against the Allied powers, and would have added Spain into the German-Japan-Italy axis powers which would have drastically altered WW2 in the western front, whilst Germany coordinates with Japan against Russia. Underpinning these alternative choices, is that Adolf Hitler has to be willing to listen and keep most of his experienced generals, that was important enough because those generals are the ones that'll guide which war decisions he makes for the most part. Also, in this alternative history, Germany does not get the USA involved via letter of conspiracy towards Mexican revolution against the USA. Also, not holocaust of the Jewish communities, as 40% of Germany's workforce labor is from Jewish communities, in the real historic timeline, by deciding to get rid of 40% of his country's workforce crippled his military output by that much. So, this alternative history actually is feasible if Adolf Hitler was smarter and knowledgeable in warfare and 4d strategy thinking, and not have been riddled with fear barriers and insecurities of his childhood, teen and military experiences and lack of purpose and direction in life whilst he was pursuing a painter career. There's a bit more nuance to the capitalists in the western hemisphere and NATO, as that is simply because their bias and survival is tied to European centric views and American centric views and western bias.

@Heart of Space Oh, I've seen this one, even book smarts reviewed this online debate. 1) On the expediency part, Destiny has the consistent habit of saying a lot of things in fast paced tempo, with the sense of expediency. Also, him saying the US is number one in many things, already I can intuit he is heavily biased and has an American centric worldview, and a capitalistic centric worldview as well, which also matches up with himself identifying as a determinist, rationalist and online debate bro, which also means he is attached to the debunk mentality as well. I guess his SD is mostly stage orange/blue, which does explain him valuing logic and reasoning over feelings, and him having this undertone of western hemisphere/American centric bias. Due to his cognitive and moral development, it seems that yes, he's rationality bias and hyper logic framing tradeoffs his emotional intelligence, and his cognitive pattern, based on his body language, tonality, and over logical manner and measured behaviors, gives me the strong intuition that that is what he is, a logician with low empathy and emotional intelligence, which also affects his moral development. His morality first originated from a conservative, catholic family values, which still makes part of his worldview and informs most of his morality, although there had been conflicts and turmoil from his father and mother that capped his emotional and empathetic levels. 2) He was specifically referring to critiques from the Progressives, Socialists, communists and tankies in particular from online leftist biased platforms and streamers, more so than those from RL. However, this further shows his bias against them and his American centric worldview with capitalism. This also shows and is filtered by his personality type, being that of an introverted personality, with some degree of extroversion. Seems to me, as long as the framing of the discourse is in 3rd person perspective, objective and merely in one's argument and debate and language structure, that he does show higher degree of open mindedness and willingness to understanding points of perspective, at least in opposition to his resolution and argument layout. 3) I also felt that his overall state, especially towards Richard Wolf and the entire debate, is one where he can't be bother anymore to take this seriously. I felt his state was mostly closed off from genuine dialogue, and largely in part of his neural typical brain, his earlier claims of him being autistic and literal and logic based, which biases him further towards consistency, numbers, correct linear sequencing, correct order of logic cause and effect. 4) Him being identified as a Libertarian makes sense, as Vaush also has that as part of his psyche and value as well before. That, combined with his narcissism, may have also enabled him to connect with Mr. Girl, at the very least as an opportunity for more clout and attention due to Mr. Girl's edgy and controversial takes with Pedophilia and misogyny.

@Heart of Space Thank you for giving this podcast a listen.

@Inliytened1 Okay, I'll take this into consideration.

@Julian gabriel Animal worship, animal totems, western and native American astrology? Animal spirits? Yeah, those are similarly in level with SD turquoise spiritually speaking, but in most cases those practices tend to come from SD purple tribes. Most animals to me are capped at stage beige or below, the majority do not have the same level of human abstraction and cognition and morality that humans have, not to mention any concepts or personalities, state of being and consciousness is literally in present tense, in the NOW, without any notions of past or future, just present presence, but it's not like human presence.

@Space You know what, that actually makes so much sense to me, that I don't know where to begin. All the recent Instagram posts and blog posts and snarky comments here and here just made a whole lot more sense.

@The Mystical Man Not directly at you, but to those that are also reading and are interested, Tulpa Mancy is, to me, where it's at for me. At the very least in my spiritual development, you are training in a more intense form, passively, a form that you interact on a daily basis. Engaging in that process produced hundreds of mini-insights and several large insights of reality and sentience that's a unique flavor of insights to me. My practice and learning of that theory is a bit watered down, yes, but it originated from Tibetan Buddhism and their esoteric branch, and the Kabbalah, an esoteric branch of Judaism and their magical rituals of making golems. Of course, most modern users online treat it like making those cartoon horses or whatever on average, but to some they took it with a bit more attention and effort and made much more than them. So, Metroid Prime trilogy, and Metroid Dread is where it's at for me, those are pretty good games to try out.

Very interesting insights from these people:

@eggopm3 I agree there's an increasing issue of trans people regretting getting sex surgery, that gender dysphoria is an increasing issue in correlation to the internet and social media over consumption, that more left leaning education systems are indoctrinating blindly and confusing our youths further and concede my hyper intellectual opposition towards you. So, where do we go from here? How can we approach this problem, such that our solution does not create more problems?

@Meditationdude Yes, but don't stop yourself there at just accepting those failures and doing nothing else. Accept those failures and learn from them, contemplate why you fail at this or that, and if you can seek feedback. You're actually doing better than half the people that face those failure points and don't accept those failures and are in denial that they failed, so really you are 50% ahead of most people, you just need to pull yourself together for the remaining 50%. GL..

@Carl-Richard True, and given how Clare Graves gathered and did his sampling/surveys, SD could be mostly an American centric, multicultural type of theory of human values development, technically speaking, although that didn't stop those founders and those close to them have stretched the model to cover other cultures outside the USA to explain how other cultural values emerged. Yes, SD and even Integral theory are cognitive theories, yet again, that doesn't stop people from really pushing those abstract boundaries to include spirituality, metaphysics and epistemology and other complex theories in there as well. Ken Wilbur, and to some extent and degree Daniel Schmachtenberger and the other two during the rebel wisdom video, not only are highly abstract thinkers, but can explain spirituality and enlightenment somewhat comprehensively. So, those cognitive theories, or at least engaging and thinking in those frameworks can help a little. Also, this entire thread is, basically, OP entertaining possible alternative forms of SD, so, we're basically seeing how many flavors of this ice cream we can give and entertain. Yes, technically it's still chocolate ice cream, and vanilla ice cream, but we still want to stretch it to include 50/50's, rainbows or even 99's, if some of you get the reference.

@Julian gabriel The higher stages in question, past stage turquois, are stage coral and stage teal and the transparent stages. From stage coral to teal and above are considered tier 3 cognition, and it's arguable that hyper, ultra-levels of spirituality that hyper alien intelligences are also at that level. Like in Metroid series, and the Metroid Prime trilogy, and the Chozo of bird like aliens. Yes, example is fictional, but at this point there's very little real-world examples of even stage coral, let alone stage turquoise despite what Leo had to say about stage turquoise in one of his videos, which, BTW, got copyright strike by the founders of Spiral Dynamics for allegedly misrepresenting stage turquoise, so, at stage turquoise is where the ratio of less real-world examples to more fictional examples happens.

@Gesundheit2 I agree, I am the only god here. Gets lonely sometimes. ???

@Girzo That's ultimately up to the OP. Why I side with OP, is that it is also entertaining for me to entertain possibilities. If it's not your cup of tea, fine, but don't negate OP and I teas, while imposing your own kind of iced tea.

Interesting video:

@newbee On top of all that, is the internet, that acts like a force multiplier and magnifying glass that magnifies preexisting ideologies and indoctrinated beliefs via online forums, chat groups, comment sections, viewers and so on. While there's stage of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing and ego development, life experiences and other lines of development to consider, the internet can factor in as the magnifying factor that both increases dogmatic, close minded and cult like tendencies and cult like identities, the internet also enables faster spread of ideologies, alongside algorithms per social media website and news feeds that curate and tailors' contents and what is/isn't shown to viewers and users.

@newbee While this is a bit cherry picked, I do agree there's some degree of close mindedness, on every side of the issue. This trans person has constructed an identity to live as an ego, in a group that collectively identifies as trans, is also collective ego. Of course, zoom out enough every position and every side developed a self-image and group-image to hold onto, so every side, including the left, are not immune to this deep issue of identity.

@Girzo Chill out, it's just the OP entertaining the possibilities.

Can we all say this together, that Netflix, please sort yourself out and stop alienating loyal fans? You need some help: How many shows must keep on getting ruined because of biases from the writers, actors or even the directors? OMG.

@Julian gabriel I definitely agree that we should expand Spiral Dynamics and add more complexity, more in a horizontal way like what would aliens and alien civilisations have as value systems, or if machine elves have their own versions of stages of development. Integral theory, by Ken Wilbur, is an example of doing just that, he read and added onto Spiral Dynamics to better determine at the individual level and other lines of development. For me, and some here, it's fun to entertain what versions of the spiral would look ljke from different sentient groups. It's basically philosophy at that point.

@Thought Art Sorry, I am special like that, so I can't help but nitpick. If English is not your main language, warn me beforehand so I can be gentle or ignore the grammar and spelling issues. Update: THEY FINALLY LISTENED TO ME! YOUTUBE, FOR 3 WEEKS, FINALLY ADDRESSED THE REPORTED VIDEO!!!?

@Thought Art Actually, offended for how they handled their videos in general, not being responsible for issuing warnings and disclaimers that warrant warnings and disclaimers in the description box and/or video edited clip, if the subject matter at hand is violent, graphic, dealing with drugs, and so on that need to be age restricted or parts that need censoring. The video you posted about paramilitary and how some of the alt right extremists are recruiting ex-military members, is actually good reporting. Yes, it's socialistic/progressive biased, and has anti mainstream bias as well, but I think this reporting is over all a good coverage, albeit if I had enough time and energy, I could point out flaws here and there with their reporting, plus technical issues, like again, NO DISCLAIMERS AND WARNINGS FOR COVERING RADICALISTIC TOPIC AND POTENTIAL VIOLENT USE OF GUNS. Or something like that.

@Florian I really did tag the wrong person, sorry about that, I'll accept the F U and share in the fed-up feelings that are building up in this thread. Sometimes some users that take these threads seriously can be too much, sorry that you're getting warning points over pointless drama.

I don't know, but I'm getting the feeling that she's a Trump apologist, that is generalizing and distorting half the American population at around 1:30 time mark. I'm starting to not like her, and Lex Fridman more, especially since4 he platformed Kanye West, and this questionable person. Disappointing, but am I right in my intuition?