Danioover9000

@Rafael Thundercat YES! This is basically stage green's shadow of stage orange/blue/red. Stage orange because they hate the relative wealth and material gap between hippies and business people. Stage blue because most stage greens tend to be liberals/progressives/socialists/tank communists that hate anything conservative/traditions, even their own kind that few are successful in business and in life. Stage red because of humanitarian bias, maybe environmental bias because they have such big heart cavities in their chest for evil people, they see they SOOOO redeemable! For example take those same people and ask them about the Aztecs, they'll say their a tribe, they are peaceful, they are one with nature. Well, are Aztecs so peaceful folks when they live sacrifice and rip out the heart of the warrior tribe they prey on for their magical thinking and magical ritual? Are they so one with nature that they actually deforest in their own territory, burning woods for their ritual? Are the Commanche and Apache so spiritual stage purple tribes that the Apache showed loving kindness by kicking and driving the Commanche outta their lands and into Canada's? Sorry but for the most part the lefties and those post modernists and moral relativists have a deep shadow and romantic views about these 'peaceful' native tribes, and just demonize and downplay the glory of the colonialism and GB. All of them bickering and complains whilst standing on the shoulders of GIANTS! Of course we do have to admit some evils or some things were not like peaceful in some colonies, nothing in life is perfect, no such thing as peaceful conquests, but THAT'S LIFE! When Aztecs were warned by the Spanish to stop their BS of live human sacrificing, they refused because they're actually traditional/conservative minds then, they cling to ripping out the beating hearts of other tribes, therefore the other tribes formed a coalition with the Spaniards to overthrow and destroy the Aztec EMPIRE, not tribe but EMPIRE, and they did. And tough because like Schamchtenberger says, winners win and losers lose and those who win write most of history books. However, he gets to say all that and live with the benefits of western civilization and the benefits of Roman empire conquest, and even the invention of writing. IDK I just hate how such a genius mind just twists this and just blames the system he's benefiting from, it's just this betrayal mindset I don't like.

@Rafael Thundercat Yes I do, but more importantly, you cannot be a systems thinker yet cherry pick so badly. This IMO is one weakness of stage yellow thinkers, they are Martians, Venusian, maybe Jupitarians, and their thinking is so Galactic spaceships level that they forget that earthlings have to deal with real consequences that they don't have to. Under caliphate Islam Daniel Schmachtenberger would be dead, or a slave. That's the brutal reality of playing with moral relativism and many perspectival madness problems meanwhile hungry stage red/blue empires will eat you up:

@quantumspiral Mostly yes, and are victims of addiction and gaslighting by triple A game companies. Sad reality man...

@Yimpa OMG GOLD! They're like best buddies man!🤣🤣🤣

@Rafael Thundercat Andrew Tate isn't hardcore stage orange, he's hardcore stage red/blue opportunist. Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Jeff Bazos, most body building people, hardcore materialists and scientists are better examples of stage orange excess, even predatory capitalism and neoliberalism is a better example. Andrew Tate is not excess stage orange, he's aping stage orange values but is actually stage red/blue. Like a typical wall street stock guy isn't going to be like Andrew Tate, into sex trafficking and tax evasion. Such people of course have better ways to evade tax, but a hardcore wolf of wall street guy like Leonardo DiCaprio, or the guy the actor was representing, won't be like Andrew Tate in terms of sex trafficking(if true) or bad methods of tax evasion and gambling(if true).

This si another example of being very biased and trapped in an ideology, being pretty close to fundamentalism religious dogma: IMO it's more genetics, his height, weight, ability to take punishment, that made Cassius Clay that great. When the facts and truth of him are pretty harsh:

Classic example of being biased and being deep in a trap: No, it's mre so genetics that made him Cassius Clay, that height, weight, and ability to take punishment.

Share various traps you find in ART, and some things you were wrong about in your life! This manga for me is a nice showcase of a trap that even feels like a trap on that fictional world building and the characters caught in the abyss:

@Ishanga Great you'd say that and sound similar to the anti natalist feminists. Now tell that to those living in 3rd world theocracies, under caliphate Islam, under more traditional structures to stop producing so much people, and stop making large families then. The main problem isn't to reduce birthrates in 1st world democracies that are secular, too liberal, too egalitarianist and multiculturalism as they're already declining in birthrates due to sexual liberation, condoms, pills, open relations, porn, lesser marriages, high divorce rates. The main problem is telling the 3rd world autocracies and theocracies to stop reproducing too quickly. My counter is to actually limit western democracies down to be like the Roman empire, half autocratic rulership, half democracy in peace times. A smaller democracy leads to faster adoptions of policies, and implementing faster social changes due to smaller scale and smaller size. Less is more in this case, limited to those with more experience and leadership versus 50 plus voices in representations doing very little in society.

Maybe a better example of masculinity, for you lot triggered by Andrew Tate's boldness; No, don't take drugs, take in SPIRIT!

@zazen Nice takes. Yes excess stage blue ultimately tends to be hyper exclusivity and gate keeping, with some religious fundamentalism and dogmatism, while the excess of stage orange is more inflated to hyper individualism, think libertarianism like that, with scientific and materialist dogma instead of religious one. Albeit I do feel like we probably need an few more modals along side Spiral Dynamics. For example what do we do when we factor in sociopathy or psychopathy and narcissism into the modal? What if in a stage blue value set, we see a sociopath/psychopath/narcissist in that excess range of blue? What does a sociopath/psychopath look like when at the limits of stage orange? Feels like the dark triad or some other psychological modal maybe needed to account for those with the dark traits. Also some people may describe it as 3: Machiavellianism(IMO fancy word for manipulation/exploitation, specifically for social and power gain, just think it as manipulation), narcissism, and sociopathy(and psychopathy too), but even some would say the dark quad or the dark five if you factor in sadism(pleasure gained from inflicting suffering) and masochism(pleasure gained by pain received). It ends up overall enriching the descriptions of the range of excess of each stage if we do factor into some personality or psychological traits that could also contribute to that excess, which also ultimately leads into that SD transformational dilemma.

@CARDOZZO Are you still mad about my diss?😄

@CARDOZZO Don't judge him, or don't use critical thinking? How can I be better and start a new movement when I cannot make healthy critique first? Are you saying that I cannot argue for a better understanding? Same again, how can you ever build a new path without contemplating, being critical thinking or not even willing to debate and hash out the old from the new? That's like asking me to make a bridge with one arm, while neglecting my other arm that's also important, the other arm of critical thinking? For example, I cannot just blindly believe what Schmachtenberger says, when most of his comments are a bunch of yes men/women, and most don't even give reasonable pushback to ANYONE of his points, just one??? Like for example in 1 point he made in I think the study of conquerors he insinuated the evils of Christendom. I'm like ok, but what's the alternative then? Caliphate Islam? Arabic slavery? I get it that Daniel's got some bias for indigenous peoples, and maybe anti colonialist vibes, but to downplay European colonialism, especially GB when GB was the only anti slavery empire there ever was, meanwhile the Arabas and caliphate Islam was doing their slave trade of Africa for far longer, and were castrating the black slaves...I'm sorry, but you cannot proclaim you're a freaking systems thinker without at least balancing or briefly touching on not just Genghis Khan's Mongolia or Alexander's Macedonia, or Roman Empire, and jumping to many other context fast forwarded into the modern Era, then back again, sneak diss Christianity and the English language whilst ignoring it's close competitor empire and religion then, then expect ME and few peoples with a lot of critical thinking to put up with selection bias and cherry picking like that???!!! Makes me want to actual diss track on him for such a freaking slight! BTW, the Aztecs were not a tribal peoples, they were an EMPIRE, and an empire that practiced human live sacrifice, well it's not that hard to imagine what the Spanish then were thinking about. And what's his gripe with optimism? Did Optimism netorare'd him or something? Like does he not realize how important optimism really is for surviving the dark night of the souls???? Several other points in that talk that miffed me, but Imma chill, cool down. Like hell you just can't proclaim you some galactic levels systems thinker, like yuo was a Martian or Venutian or Jupitarien yet expect to sound like an earthling making sense. The math ain't mathin if ya don't give concrete enough grounded examples...

@zazen Sure, granted just like meditation there were also some scientific research done into the effects of prayer. Though not as conclusive there's enough there to suggest prayers are good for you. Although in the case with Mohammad, there was a story about him communicating with the Archangel Gabriel, and basically it came down to the number of prayers that were acceptable to do. Eventually Mohammad worked out that 5 was more than enough, but the initial number Gabriel came up with was MASSIVE! Almost close to an infinite number. So just assuming all that did occur, Mohammad did talk and bartered for a good number of prayers, I think Gabriel being a chad of an angel himself probably was just rounding up per milliseconds of human lifespan, and was basically saying that just being mindfulness of the moment, AKA praying as you breath and live was enough, which is probably why the number was astronomical to begin with. And of course he's an angel and angels live centuries like literal seconds unlike humans just because.🤷‍♀️

@Merkabah Star Bibi the bogeyman...

@Husseinisdoingfine Then I am not justified in hating Donald Trump. See?

@Rafael Thundercat Firstly, pace your typing. I see a lot of typos and misspellings in your words. Slow down, don't get too excited in your articulation. Second, I said to emulate Andrew Tate's willpower and drive, and being strong minded in achieving your results in life. How that exactly manifests for you or other young men will depend on your life and what you want. Just emulate his spirit, not ape what he exactly does like a monkey.

@Husseinisdoingfine Therefore I am justified in hating Donald Trump?

@Vrubel I intentionally describe Israel as a boring place. Why? Because you lot are way too overzealous over a piece of rocks and lands that was Gehenna, the site of live sacrificing of children via burned alive for a god named Moloch. It's intentionally boring to really show the stark contrast of these hyper emotional states you Zionists feel, a bunch of crybabies over a boring place! I want you lot to feel like fixing yourselves and this place that's boring. Fighting over lands you lot slowly steal from Palestinians, realize how boring it is in the first place. It's so boring that spilling blood and suffering and misery to colour the soils and to liven the rocks with life right, to escape how the land and the place is just so boring? Realize all that you lot have done. I hope god have mercy on you lots souls, so much meaningless suffering over a bunch of boring rocks. The madness of you Zionists, you racist right wing loonies! Fix yourselves up, you all are not worthy of western democracy at all!

@Chadders Andrew Tate is enough for these young boys to emulate. I say emulate, not copy or mimic, but take his soul and fighting spirit. That's it. No hippie woowoo divine masculinity, just masculinity. No need to magic ritualize masculinity, just put on some laces, gloves, exercise a bit, learn to fight, at least that before you open your mouth about fighting and warfare, like these soft modern men who're addicted to Tik Tok and victims of mind raping social media platforms!

@gambler Exactly, nothing wrong with being blunt and brutally honest about it. Also, for those too triggered by Andrew Tate here's another example of masculinity for young men: As real as it gets. And I have some agreements with this S. Carmen guy on most modern men today addicted to toxic social media platforms and normalizing degenerate behavior like polyamorous relations and cuckoldry. Yeah, lace up and put on some gloves, get some fighting experience, and maybe that alone helps in making relevant opinions based on the reality of what it felt like getting hit in your face, and having to roll the punches!

@Fountainbleu Again, it's the mentality and spirit of masculinity for young men that needs emulating. Obviously don't copy exactly Andrew Tate, just his will power and drive.

@Juan Don't care, irrelevant to the point I was making. You lot aren't listening at all. Also, the deep irony of this is you yourself are a victim of the social media matrix, the toxic mind rape that Tik Tok is doing to younger gens.

@Vrubel Yes, Zionism is hard to understand because of it's hyper right wing views and nationalism. Nobody in most cases ever want to understand such a racist ideology to begin with. Spare me the traveled across the world. I can play that game to, and I actually have traveled to several cultures and countries like: UK, USA, Canada, Quebec, Indonesia, Brazil, and even Israel. Yes, even your country, and what do I see? Boring AF place! Been to many interesting places and some natural locations, and I can tell you there are stranger places that outlive Israel. BTW I would never, EVER, proclaim that Jerusalem is such a holy place. Why? Because nearby in the region of Gehenna, they practiced live sacrificing of child by burning them alive to a god named Moloch, so in my humble opinion, you lot claim it sacred, I claim it degenerate and CURSED! That whole region is a bunch of EVIL! Pure and utter EVILRY! Honestly both Israel and Palestine should ideally leave that region due to that Moloch being there. It's making both sides sick minded, fighting over pieces of rock that is soaked with the charred remains of sacrificed children.