Danioover9000

@StarStruck Whilst it's a simplification, Andrew Tate, depending on the context, is right. This begs the question though: Because he's right, does this mean that you then adopt his worlsview?

@Tanz That's true, the technological development is such that deep fake A.I can replicate almost accurately attractive features of the human face and human body, which can hijack the reptilian brain for more attention. Although, the deeper issue isn't deep fakes, it's the demonizing and close mindedness of the stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types, states of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development in various domains of life, and differences in ideological indoctrinations in upbringing. It's the overestimations and exaggerations of the dangers of modern pornography, whilst downplaying the bigger dangers of classical porn and real life sexual explorations, underestimating that today's pornography, for virtual and simulated environments offers safer explorations, but past forms of porn, don't have.

@SeaMonster Well, the main issue, is not appreciating that pornography of today, has provided a lot of simulation and a virtual environment to explore sexual preferences safely, and underestimating the past forms of pornography being more crude and more eviler than modern pornography and that the majority of it was not by video or internet, but mostly by real bodies exploring sexual situations. The main issue is overestimating the harms of today's pornography, and underestimating the negatives of past forms of porn and real life sexual intercourses. No porn, even if it's an ideal, is just an ideal, and not a realistic attitude to take on, for men or women. What is needed, is stop demonizing today's pornography in generalizations, maybe to critic and offer more regulations of the pornography industry and commercial porn, but to stop being close minded and demonize abstractly.

@Mada_ Dope idea, I really think Leo should consider this. A DnD type of game? Maybe a Magic the gathering card game, Actualized? Doesn't have to appeal to mainstream, a hyper niche game for those within the sanctuary of Actualized.org. No need for triple A levels of marketing and game dev, even standard indie. Just a super niche game, so cool. I might collab, provide some music or visual arts. Maybe freestyle? Possibilities multiply.

@r0ckyreed I'd have to disagree. Firstly, based on Spiral dynamics stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality typing and traits, states of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development, pornography is overall relative to one's sexuality, sexual orientation, sexual preferences and biases, kinks and fetishes. Also, due to immense technological, economic, and socioeconomic and sociological and sociocultural development, as well as psychosexual and psychosocial development throughout history, pornography today is far more favorable due to many layers of simulations and virtual realities that you can safely explore your own tastes, compared to centuries of porn in the past when there wasn't the internet, and majority of pornography was largely physical beings interacting between. Yes, if you do contextualize pornography down, you can find some cases were porn may be doing some harm psychologically or physically, but overall pornography today is much more evolved than in the past which required human slaves, brothels, or actual abusive relationships to occur. Modern pornographyz while not perfect, caps those dark thoughts for the most part.

@Hardkill Not to mention that there willalso be changes to how the democratic system would be run if the left, middle and right divorced by nation. They should just take a chill pill, slow down, maybe watch some Actualized.org videos, maybe read articles by Daniel Schmachtenberger at www.concilienceproject.com, who has a great article on good faith communication and information warfare BTW. Maybe read some erotica and relax too. Too much political bipartisanship and polarisation, too serious. Both siees need to fap once in a while.

Just to be clear, I suffer chronic depressions, deep laziness and insecurities and other health issues(Not pulling the edge lord card), that I sometimes view shorts containing art works for a few minutes, for some tinge of inspiration. However, after some thinking, it seems highly possible that I probably can't see eye to eye and agree with any positive effects that Tik Tok specifically could have in this lifetime. Ideally, I am for banning the app. However, if that's too difficult due to complex issues, then I am for restricting and regulating it's content, any topic and it's design, and am in favor for educational shorts over entertainment garbage shorts, the ones that are highly correlating to increases of ADD/ADHD cognitive decline. This is now my position.

@Carl-Richard I'm recently browsing Tik Tok for drawing tutorials or art works and stuff. 10-5 minutes a day. A minute of random topics I scroll. All this whilst being mindful of Tik Tok's corrosive effects to my mind, for the sake of self experimenting and science, research purposes.

@TheAlchemist Well, to what percentage of action being channeled, comes from Tik Tok users then? Where are the young politicians and social media influencers, marching onwards, negotiating and implementing political action? Oh, they're still busy chasing fads and trends and getting hyper narcissistic over their image, whilst being too distracted, attention divided, with higher ADD/ADHD, to do anything of substance for the ACTUAL ISSUES OF THE WORLD! At least China's version of Tik Tok, has heavily regulated their content, restricted what they consider harmful to the youth's brains, and implemented check and balances, like time period of activity, and mostly educational content like mathematics, science, art, lectures. I REPEAT, EVEN CHINA HAD TO INTERJECT TO HEAVILY MONITOR AND REGULATE THEIR VERSION OF TIK TOK!

@Kksd74628 I will put it even more bluntly and simply for you and @Juan and @Devin using a different context: you guys are defending the usage of cocaine, designed by foreign business men to maximize profits at the cost of long term mental health problems, and the justification: because some bad users doing bad content inside + people get addicted to almost anything. So, if some bad people do bad content inside the cocaine factories, and the appeal to addiction universality, is enough justification to expose all people, all demographics and psychographics, to cocaine commercialization, and white market availability, and you can't and refuse to acknowledge the long term consequences that product has for future generations, then no dumbing down of language, no amount of simple communication of the negatives of it would dissuade you of persuading other youths to use Tik Tok. If you can't grasp the simple negatives of how damaging Tik Tok is to their brains, then we can't continue this discussion, it just seems like you and @Juan deny and refuse to partly denounce Tik Tok for the clear harms it does for mental health.

@Kksd74628 I do see the points, it's just that I have to lower myself down, from my alien levels of development, to talk to you and @Juan in a simplified manner. No, qualitatively speaking, Tik Tok and meditation are mostly different fundamentally. With meditation, you are actively intent on 'letting go' of thoughts, 'observing' thoughts, 'mindfulness with labelling' or other mindfulness types of meditations, transcendental meditation, and other meditation techniques that are mainstream friendly or hardcore fringe. Most mediation requires the participants to actually be active in them and be both focused and intentional, meanwhile with Tik Tok usage it's mostly designed to encourage passivity and brain rot, makes you think less and develop cognitive retardations, immoral beliefs and inappropriate behaviors that because of curating and higher volume is made normal, higher increases of neurosis and Narcissism due to auto image filters that make you more 'handsome' or more 'beautiful' or have 'lighter skin colour', proliferate immature behaviors and opinions, create and maintain ideological echo chambers and maintain Incels and doomer mentalities, limit life experiences and life exposures like travelling and interacting with people face to face. I also find it asymmetrical to compare mediation, a sub set of spiritual development, to Tik Tok, a subset of technological development gone wrong. Improper comparison, but also disingenuous. As much as I am moderate and centrist on some issues, for this specific one I'm lopsided against Tik Tok and supportive of regulations that restrict Tik Tok. I refuse to be a passive culprit that encourages Tik Tok to ruin the youth's brains to the point of hyper ADD/ADHD and foolishness, and I can't remain neutral and agnostic to the obvious harms it has for mental health, so, Tik Tok either must be restricted more, or, banned.

@zurew That's actually an interesting point about those questions, because Tik Tok is now a billion dollar business within roughly a year, and have an amazingly workable formula for their success with Tik Tok. However, with enough research, I think general public would know that Tik Tok is and has long term negative effects on a person's, and a group's, psychological well being and development. But do the Tik Tok employers and company care? Not really, as they all are deep stage orange and blue valued company, only cognitively interested in making money and prioritizing profits over mental or sometimes physical harm, as evident by them allowing some dangerous 'challenges' like swallowing paint and stuff, and are morally underdeveloped as they are okay with allowing children to twerk, until they tweaked the algorithm to spot these and ban outright, but still not a perfect algorithm fix, but they don't care if their business model contributes to increases in neurosis and Narcissism and ADD/ADHD, they don't care if Tik Tok distorts and takes away more enjoyment and well being overall in a person's life, or livelihood. At least until there's public outrage or outcry against them, like the lawsuit that happened to them when it's discovered they do have under age teens doing too much sexy stuff.

@hoodrow trillson The golden days of Vine, Too bad that Twitter didn't monetize those earlier, could've been a competitor for Tik Tok.

@zurew https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwivpeGYo7P9AhUMTsAKHZXZAVgQFnoECA0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fconsilienceproject.org%2F&usg=AOvVaw1ImyY7BeMECTNDN040KHot

@zurew Yeah, the meaning crisis is what Daniel Schmachtenberger talks about, along with information ecology and technology values in his website. Those are pretty good articles.

@Kksd74628 Dude, Tik Tok is much worse than cocaine or heroine, at least it's obvious now that these hard drugs are dangerous because of the chemical and psychological addiction they create. The government were right to taking strong opposition to cocaine and heroine. Tik Tok is so much worse because the addiction is DESIGNED IN THE APP, and is largely PSYCHOLOGICAL, meaning most won't realize they have a problem, until it's too late. Meanwhile, ByteDance is practicing predatory capitalism and eating up small businesses in the gaming and music sectors, and eating up talents in these fields to market and promote Tik Tok for some fees. Maybe you're now identifies as a Tik Toker, or Tik Tok influencer, and I know I sounds harsh, but you're addicted, severely addict, for you to not acknowledge that Tik Tok is overall a net negative for society, politics, government, and the psychological well being and psychological development of stages, cognitive and moral development, ego maturity, personality traits, states of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development at different areas of life. It's a bitter pill, but Tik Tok distorts reality for most young minds, indoctrinating them with false ideologies and expectations that the owners happily syphon every penny, second and life energy from these young people. I fear more people will have ADD/ADHD, and are unable to think for themselves anymore. There will be karmic retribution for mind rapping these young minds into decline over the years.

@Devin And even before Tik Tok or the earlier version, from ByteDance, ByteDance was observing the Vine concept, taken over by Twitter before launch, and saw the strengths and weaknesses of how they managed Vines, and the lack of monetization Twitter offered that's reasonable before all the celebrities and super stars and highly popular Vine content creators made their ridiculous demands for higher earnings, for 6-10 second videos. They wanted more than a million, not shared amongst them, but each creator getting over a million, FOR A 6-10 SECOND VIDEO! However, I won't bash on them too harshly, as ByteDance CEO and employees were a bit liberal than the CCP and want to be the next capitalists like Steve Jobs and so on, pursue maximum profit by designing the most addicting social media app in existence so far. I don't blame their predatory capitalistic practices as they aren't as supportive of the CCP, and their lived experiences and so on. And I'm sure if you know what you're doing, and only use Tik Tok to market your brand, just like the vine creators used Vines to promote their social media content making elsewhere.

@Devin I outright reject your framing of me as some social Nazi infantilizing society, what a disingenuous bad faith framing. If you've read my takes carefully in this thread and the other ones dealing with Tik Tok and social media. I've always stated the relativity of these claims, based on the stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, states of being, life and lived experiences, other lines of development in various domains of life, and ideologies indoctrinated into your mind from upbringing, and the information ecology person consumes that's misinformation, disinformation and partial information intakes, and the distortions of the mind. If you carefully watched all the videos I've shared, and the links I've shared, they show that Tik Tok is especially dangerous and manipulative in comparison to the other social media websites so far. Even China released their version that's heavily moderated, unlike Tik Tok in the western countries. Taking into account how Tik Tok is formated and designed for, and the slow business takeovers from ByteDance it's concerning..

@Bobby_2021 I think it's because of ByteDance company that owns Tik Tok, they're already have a formula and buying up other businesses. They're even trying to get into the music sector and gaming sector, buying up smaller companies and talents. Absolutely a national security risk given that within China's territory, ByteDance has to comply and give data when the CCP requests it, I'm surprised they don't ban the app outright like India.

@Extreme Z7 Exactly, enough said. That's what it's designed to be, extremely addicting. Other than marketing uses, it's a huge pleasure center.

@Juan I agree, I concede my point of view. I am going to make a user account in Tik Tok, and watch twerking or dance videos, with an open mind. I will epistemically be blind, start as unbiased as I can, and consume twerking and dance videos, maybe I'm wrong about Tik Tok? Maybe, even though this isn't sexually attractive or a fetish to me, as I'm more a chest, tummy and face person, maybe jiggling butts and yoga pants and hands are sexually appealing after all, in sped up videos? I don't know, the mysteries of Tik Tok imprisonment abounds. Am I the wise, or am I the fool? And yes, Naz X's cowboy rap songs did gain popularity on Tik Tok so I'll give you that, maybe my Eminem shorts might? Who knows, ad I don't know.

@Kksd74628 4. Well, drawing faces, or drawing any subject matter, within a sped up video is nothing new to Tik Tok. YouTube, Instagram, Pinterest, and other visually based websites have done the same with drawing tutorial videos. There's even historical methods and teachings of drawing techniques, already pre existing knowledge base already, so I don't see how this is a positive purely for Tik Tok, personally feels like theft. 3.Yes, I partly agree, stage green valued younger people, even the hippies and SJWs, and the hyperactive ones, value Tik Tok, due to it's algorithm being really quick to curating content to every single user's self biases and preferences, so effective it curates sexual content to specifically a user's bias, unconsciously, due to the length of time that user is viewing a video, and other contextual factors and user engagement. Yes, the algorithm is so powerful at this that it gave every single user what they wanted deep down. Stage of development, cognitive biases and moral development, personality types and traits, states of being, life experiences, and other lines of development in various areas of life, recorded and tailored by the algorithm, all that personal data tracked very quickly to ByteDance. 2. Sure, for the fads and trends, that's good for marketing and promotion. Don't care, especially when there's no intentionality to marketing and promoting your content, especially when the algorithm, again, hyper curates and tailors content to fit exactly your biases perfectly. 1. Faster /=/ better, haste makes waste, garbage input = garbage output, classic Leo Gura take. All may be good and partly true if contextualized, but that's assuming A LOT FROM 8-16 year old teenagers and children, as the major demographic of Tik Tok, on average, don't cognitively develop the same capacities for critical thinking as adults. For the adult demographic using Tik Tok I'll assume reasonable and intentional usage, but younger? No, in fact they're wasting time and energy, viewing content hyper curated to their biases, and not really learning outside of their perspectives. Tik Tok currently is the perfect digital trap box, the best ideology propagator and proliferator, the best piece of this fractured, fractal magnifying glass we call the internet, that force multiplies every single person's ideology. Tik Tok, if we're not careful now, in 50-100 years, will be the next virtual world prison of the world.

@Kksd74628 Okay, can you give me a list of the positive effects that Tik Tok has to younger people so far?

@Juan I am open minded, but not enough my brains spill out. You, and OP lately, are underestimating the devastation that Tik Tok can unleash upon the youth and future generations, and are spilling your brains all over the place, poisoning the well, and trying to sugar coat Tik Tok like it's safe. It's not.