Danioover9000

@trenton EXACTLY! Thanks for communicating your insight in this way. Sometimes I momentarily get confused because every time a person says 'facts over feelings' and 'facts don't care about your feelings' it's strange because FACTS ARE PART OF FEELINGS! facts/feelings=facts are partial, feelings are total, so facts are in fact inferior to feelings! The only few conclusions that I can draw for why rationalists and logicians like Ben Shapiro are deeply in denial of this is: They misunderstand/don't know/are too self biased and preferential of reasoning and rationality despite SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, states of being, life experiences and other lines of development, and other ideological indoctrinations and upbringings such that it distorts and shapes one's worldview as if it's superior than the other's, despite how relative those claims can be. So it has to be that they don't want to admit they're wrong, therefore justifying bad faith communications, tactics and fallacies instead of admitting wrongness and correcting themselves towards good faith communications.

Here's where my crazy mind thinks about the facts over feelings, which is another interpretation: When a person says 'facts over feelings', I see a fraction, and the numerator which is part of the total is the 'facts', and the denominator which represents the total sum, is where the 'feelings' are placed, so to me it's crazy and highly hubris to claim facts are superior to feelings when facts are part of feelings. It's like the tip of the iceberg claiming it's superiority over the bottom dwellers, when in facts most of the iceberg's body is under water, and much bigger that it's tip.

@hyruga Cherry pick any stats to suit Hourly agenda? Does an agenda go per hour? Is it like Clockworks Orange?

@Israfil What is a 'fact'?

@Ethos Another example is cheating using A.I programs, like in chess or other games, or cheating by copying. It's going to be a messy case in the future when this thing gets stronger and has more computation capacities.

@Ethos I think it's context dependent and based on many factors like SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, states of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development in person's life-societal domains, and ideological indoctrination and upbringing, and what self biases and preferences and mind nature a person has that generalizes, deletes and distorts reality to suit their perspectives. Also, in specific context, we still need to know the ratio of which part is theft to which part is innovation. To me, if an A.I program derives about 50% or less of an existing artist's work, it may not be theft and is fair use. However, if it's above 50% or 80% of an existing artist's work, it's clearly theft to me. On top of that is who is controlling the program? If big tech companies, you'll likely see them trying to justify stealing billions of images online, from living or dead artists regardless of copyright issues due to sheer scale of images stored. Overall a very tricky situation, which I understand and empathize with the artists that feel like this thing is stealing their work.

@StarStruck What card game is this based off of?

@Extreme Z7 Shows how ideas survive in epistemological and metaphysical ways.

@zazen A high value man, or woman, or human being, is relative to the stage of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types and traits, states of consciousness, ego development and shadow selves, life experiences and other lines of development in life-society, and ideological indoctrinations from upbringing and culture. In fact it would mostly be cultural and societal norms that determines what should be a high value male/female. In today's Era, it might be the millionaire-billionaire lifestyle, materially successful male/female, with some celebrity status and social friendliness. Just 3-500 years ago, if you're born in a Viking culture, their definitions of a high value man will be vastly different from today's modern western definition of high value somebody.

@LSD-Rumi I think if you're not as beautiful as Griffith, then any women's clothing on you might look strange.

@Consept Also, which version of the 'facts over feelings' are you referring to?

@Consept What do you mean when you say 'facts over feelings'? Why is it the implication that facts over feeling = complete unbias, take raw data derive factual conclusions? Are you referring to inferences and inductive reasoning? Why do I have to know every fact, every piece of data on the subject, weigh up these bits of facts and data to draw a conclusion? If I did manage to include all data and facts into a situation, then draw forth a conclusion, that still makes the conclusion not definitive, at all times? If researchers had limited time, and face an existential crisis, for example the pandemic and Covid-19, and had few facts of the virus via footages and reports from Wuhan China and Italy's hospital crisis within the first 6 months of the pandemic, then researchers are biased for rushing vaccine development and WHO suggesting to politicians to enforce Covid-19 lockdowns? Do you assume that cherry picking statistics based on intuition and feeling, mostly a negative? Why is selective bias to you evil and not the natural state of human beings, due to limited time, energy, and attention span? Do you also assume that prior hidden assumptions and presumptions of all situations, are bad? If so, what's the alternative, and how do we move forward?

I think at this point I'm leaning more to regulate or shut down temporarily.

@JJfromSwitzerland If there's too many comments, and you haven't read them, and it seems like you're disinterested at this point, why not lock the thread?

@StarStruck Similar to another old saying: Always make a first impression.

@Hojo Sure, at least I have Andrew Tate in some of my freestyle raps. Like: Andrew Tate can screw strawberry cakes but is so shrewd he'd burry the truth in mind, keep in mind this is my adult Minecraft, too ruthless to care less, lesson learned: Don't abuse bare naked youths like it's a H-tai game playboy.

@RebornConsciousness Like 50 Shades darker?

@Osaid I was doubting that Andrew Tate's a secret forum member of this community, but looking at his talking points on his tweet, with the love, spirituality and awakening points, we can't rule out this possibility that he's secretly a member, unless you know of ways to find out? I think at least there's the argument that he either knows/is aware of Actualized.org, or is appealing to the younger generation with the hippie sounding words.

@StarStruck Just because he has some talking points that sound spiritual or philosophical, means that he's a secret member of this forum?

@RebornConsciousness Do you feel that we've already discussed everything here?

@Roy I think this thread has served it's purpose, and feel that we're just beating a dead horse at this point. Maybe we should lock the thread?

@JJfromSwitzerland Hey OP, how are you lately? Has this thread answered your questions? Never imagined it would get this heated?

@thierry I think he's main weakness is just the arrogant tone in his speeches, which is a double edged sword.

@Nabd Why bring up Peter Ralston for the comparison?

@Schizophonia I also like to conserve my mood and energy.