Danioover9000

@Recursoinominado The radical left is always more developed then the left? Always your point? Since you were a child this was always your point? Is that always the case that only radical left's intentions are extreme empathy for 99%, and hate for 1%? What do you mean by 99% and 1%, and which peoples are you referring to with the percentages? So, are you saying that radicals are forced into supporting the 'people'? Which people? BTW, if the 'people' here are a bunch of rapists and murderers, then the radical leftists are forced to support rapists and murderers then? Or is it because the right institutions and capitalists were better than the left institutions that these left institutions are weaker? When you say socialists/communists you know who are better and smarter, are you referring to the Russian and Chinese socialists and communists, the ones that have killed so many people in their uprisings? If not which group are you referring to, and if they're so smart why is it that capitalism and more western society conservatism dominates mostly globally today? What do you mean by 'socialis'? By right wing intentions, do you mean that ALL intentions, from moderate conservative to White supremacists and Nazis Germany, are born from fear and hate? So if they convert to centrism or to left ling politics like democrats, liberals, progressives and socialists, as soon as they convert over are they still born hateful and fearful, or if they're a right winger they're ALWAYS born hateful and fearful of other people? What do you mean by 'meanining'? So are ALL right wing leaders and commentators 'dumb as fuck', and if they appeal to lies, con artistry, and instilling fear(AKA fear mongering), does that mean they're evil always? If there's one exception to this standard you posited, what does that mean? Are Right wing leaders must 'ultmatelly' have sociopathy, psychopathy, power hungry, 'narcisists' , to be 'dumb as fuck', con artists, and instilling fear? When you say, 'extreme right wing politics is pure shit', do you mean ALL right wing media is pure shit? Do you mean lies or bullshit? How do you know that radical leftists groups and extreme right wing groups ARE NOT THE SAME? Why are you caricaturing being a conservative and being a liberal like that? What if being a conservative means to protect and provide for your family and to protects your property, and not a hoarding person? What if being liberal means being more liberal and free to express your opinions, not just to ALWAYS piss off the 'privilleged' ones? Are you sure that being a liberal/=/left leaning? So, if in Brazil liberals=conservatives, does that mean that conservatives=liberals in your country? Why the inversion, and why is your government pretending to be liberals when they're conservative and traditional? What does you being a white straight male in your country have to do with anything you've stated in your posts and all other posts in this thread? So the Buddha here is a white straight male? Are you the Buddha on the road that if we find we should kill? Because I don't think THE BUDDHA was a white person, maybe straight and definitely a male, so... Of course you can't be right-wing, because according to you your country Brazil reversed the meanings of left wing and right wing, conservatives and liberals, such that if you say 'I'm a right wing conservative' or 'I'm a left wing socialist' within Brazil, those are the opposites that are inversed. Therefore, it makes sense that you can claim you're definitely not a right winger now, and that you're a left winger! But if you say you're a left winger now, within Brazil, that means YOU'RE A RIGHT WINGER! And if you're actually a right winger and say you're a left winger instead, YOU'RE LYING! Which means that since you're LYING, you're a conservative right?! I mean, if you're intellectually honest you'll admit that you're mostly wrong within this context, or are just confused and conflate and generalize a bunch of terms and gave an over simplistic assumption of radical leftists and extreme right wing and admit you're both wrong/misunderstand. That would be what an honest intellectual person would do right? But since Brazil likes to inverse conservatives to liberals, and liberals to conservatives, then Brazil may have inversed honesty to dishonesty, and dishonesty to honesty right? Since Brazil can reverse and inverse so many meanings, what are the great implications of this?!

@Juan Not relevant.

@abundance My opinion, and just my figment of imagination, income worthiness is basic income coverage and money basics, that cover each member of the family and their basic needs. Not factoring insurances or social coverages. Why shouldn't there be no income requirements before starting a family? Do you know that as a parent you'll be spending stuff for the baby like baby foods, diapers, maybe milk formula, baby toys, baby clothes, baby room stuff, and not just limited to income but time and energy spent raising a baby? And similarly after they become toddlers and adolescent? After they get diplomas and get their own lives maybe the income spent will be less. but until they become independent and they still dependent on family, parents, the father and mother, so wouldn't be a good idea to set some income requirements for starting a family?

@Recursoinominado If true that both are extremes then they're the same category under extreme. Check this out yo, you said this: And this is Leo's response: @Leo Gura I rest my case! This is exactly what I was eluding to to you, but you too triggered and defensive and biased that you misinterpreted me, so when you're admin disagrees with you, you should know you did something wrong in your logic.

@Recursoinominado How is it horseshit that both the extreme left and right are not the same? They're both extremes right? How is this simplistic stereotyping of the extreme left and radical left show the comparisons and contrasts enough for @sholomar to understand where you're coming from? Also, which extreme right and radical left are you referring to make this stereotyped comparison? How is bad faith tactics like calling other people dumbasses for both siding the extreme left and right a good faith approach? It only increases defensiveness from my POV. I think you need to change your Buddha profile picture, you're not behaving like a saint or Buddhists or at least a common sense decent person with these simplistic conflations and character assassinations.

@mojsterr Is this only in America that this thing is applied to?

@Hardkill Are there other excuses besides corporations competing against each other? Even if big corporation can raise minimum wage, by how much should a corporation raise minimum wage? So much so that that corporation then can't pay for taxation on equipment, property, higher promotion positions and employers, and risk getting out bought and getting a hot takeover by an enemy corporation that's more ruthless and will not care for minimum wages? Which corporations are essential for which society? Which corporations should be held more accountable than others? And which society should hold which corporation accountable?

@sholomar Nice post. The reason why I asked @Recursoinominado if he agreed or disagreed with the statement 'ALL conservatives are Nazis?' is because he's slipping anti conservative points and assumptions of the traditional and conservative right. Also had some points that sounded like Vaush talking points, so I wanted him to engage with my questioning, because if he agreed that ALL conservatives are Nazi, the WW2, when the conservative Americans and conservative British fought against Nazi Germany, Th Americans and British were in fact Nazis. So, if true that GB and USA and all it's allies, are Nazis, then what's the point of them fighting Nazi Germany and sacrificing millions of lives against Nazi ideology? If false that ALL conservatives are Nazis, then false the slogans, marketing and talking points of ALL online leftist streamers and influences, socialists and progressives, which shows a deep lack of integrity and intellectual honesty if they felt they had to bad faith ALL conservatives by calling ALL conservatives Nazis.

@ZenAlex Because they're not the only company in a given field, they have other companies competing against them.

@Husseinisdoingfine I think it's mostly cultural, but there are other developmental factors that can mix to determine whether drinking or smoking, in celebration is the right time. It's the lack of discipline and willpower from most westerners and easterners in the modern age. Balance between celibacy and celebration is essential. If you're over stimulated, celibate. If under stimulated, celebrate.

@ZenAlex Maybe there's too many people, from different places working in one place and the company wants to be more efficient. Maybe it's that but I don't know. Why are you interested in other people's answers to your question here? What's your answer to your question? Why can't it be as simple as 'greed'?

@Yimpa But you said that my personality type is near the bottom, so is that implying I'm at the bottom?

@koops I think in this context, culture may be a more significant factor among other factors.

@abundance Do you believe that these people need to be income worthy before starting a family?

@koops Why do you think the poorest people, countries, and continents are having the higher number of children? Is it because sexy time is powerful there?

@ZenAlex What do you mean 'so?'? If a lot of these children will be underfed and malnourished, then we should pause development worldwide? What do you mean then when you said 'needs'? Needs are both short term and long term?

@Sucuk Ekmek From camels, to wheeled vehicles and planes, from their own economic system(mercantile and gift economy and physical trades) to debt economy, from their own epistemic system? to 'just ask google'...Is this all really progress? Are they developing too fast, technological advancement too faster than human and cultural development? How is technological systems taking care of everything and everyone, a great SD stage lifter? Which group and people, and which things are benefiting? Which many things changed?

@abundance This is interesting if what she says is true:

@Girzo How about you properly quote me instead of take my statement out of context? If you're losing an argument, just lose respectfully, don't resort to these bad faith tactics. Even going as far as antagonizing @Princess Arabia for sharing her life experience with alcohol, wine and belittling and dismissing her experience isn't respectful behavior, even if it isn't EXACTLY about beer and advertising, it's still about alcohol, you know, the substance behind the beer? Do you also know some people are different genetically, some can process alcohol and have higher tolerances, you know, genetics? Disappointing.

@koops Yep, that's the transformational dilemma in Spiral Dynamics, when a person or society develops higher, there'll be some resistance to keep their homeostasis of the collective ego.

@Sucuk Ekmek Probably in 50 years lots of automation, centralization and development, based on SD stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, states of being/becoming and consciousness, ego development and shadow aspects, life experiences and other lines of development, and biases and preferences and ideological indoctrination. Of course, for a stage blue/purple Islam it won't be an easy development upwards, as lots of features of it must change to fit Europeans.

@abundance Why is it only capitalism and economic growth and pollution that leads to decline in birthrates? Is it only excess stage orange that leads to declines of birthrates?

@trenton You could say that, but like you've stated in another post the reality is you don't know what you might actually do, reality, and no one will be perfect in honor. Risk is if you lie and they find out then they kill you and family or do worse to your wife and daughters, but if you tell truth or even refuse a Jew to hide in your home, you save yourself and your wife and daughters a horrible result of lying but will probably live with some guilt or bad feeling of immorality if they catch the Jew and kill him outside your property. SURIVAL is tricky, do you sacrifice some morality for pragmatism and survival, or risk your and family survival for retaining morals, even if one negative outcome would be forced to see them rape your wife and daughters if they find out?

@Juan Please tell me you're joking? I assumed before you were part of Gen z and use Tik Tok quite a bit for your music videos. On average, they do know how to party, which includes drinking, some taking of drugs, risky social activities, and so on. So hearing you say 'if you really really value consciousness', then saying 'you know that drinking alcohol is the opposite', doesn't make sense because the premise is if you value consciousness which includes wakeful, sleepy, deep sleep, dream, and sober consciousness in general, then exclude altered states of consciousness, meditative states, even psychedelics states and drunk states of consciousness? given the consciousness altering properties of alcohol itself to some degrees making it worth considering experimenting on, assuming a person values consciousness because only a person who falsely values consciousness or lies would tell a person what to do or think. Why do you think people in the past refer to alcohol as 'Spirits'? Past peoples used alcohol, in particular the occult and esoteric with some psychedelics to make powerful mund altering states to practice spiritual techniques from. And aren't you an expert at Tik Tok? Even that platform is a mind altering drug, a digital hypothesis machine that alters users behaviours over time, a mind stimulant used to hook in users more. Since you generally claim 'if you value consciousness' that generalization may include yourself too, so if you trully value consciousness, why allow some third party technology to hypnotic change your state of consciousness? If not, then you don't really care about consciousness as a value in yourself, then why tell others here what to do with their consciousness and drinking in an ambiguous way that slips in your bias against alcohol?

@Girzo How is it not facts/feelings, when the emotion system is more primitive and has more evolution and more in built in the human body, than logic? Are you assuming you are talking to a room full of scientists and rationalists that did 'proper' science of consuming alcohol? How does that anecdote of your fillings have anything to do with consuming alcohol, what you and @Princess Arabia were talking? I didn't assume maximizing health as top priority when I said take more responsibility, you assumed that of my take. Also how is that zero? Okay, let's say I can discount my health for the sake of something else I value and pleasure, still drink alcohol. However, from the way the dialogue between you and that user, seems like you want to take away her right to consume alcohol, and dismiss her alcohol experiences, otherwise why assume away her important, inject yours, and try to make her an Amish or try to convert her into an anti alcohol prohibitionist? Why this zero alcohol tolerance of another person drinking, never mind of yourself?