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A book called A Course In Miracles.

If we must go with the "spiritual teacher" stuff, it's not a role or identity you take. It's not a "I'm a spiritual teacher now and as such I'll use this ethics code." That's just ego. It's not the path. This whole list thing just doesn't make any sense for the actual path and spirituality. It just sounds to me like some folk are simply hung up with wanting a teacher-role for themselves, as egoic venture. Wanting to appear as a one who knows more, lecturing others. And then come up with a list of ethics, cause there isn't actual insight and path walking. Isn't that just obvious? Why on earth would anyone recognize someone who needs a list like this as a "spiritual teacher"? ?

Pretty good. I saw a therapist for a while but not anymore. It was helpful. ACIM was also super helpful in understanding what happened and where those thoughts / delusions came from. Still wouldn't take psychedelics though. I feel there's some work still needed. Maybe in a couple of years.

You spot Actualized vibe instantly anywhere, cause the constant use the word "teaching". ? Especially when you see the words "my teachings..." ?? Or calling someone else a "teacher" when they have not mentioned anything about being a teacher, or has directly said they are NOT a teacher.

No. ? No. My point is that the "spiritual teachers and students" is an idea some folk really get attached to. Especially on this forum. Drop the "spirituality" -narrative and you'll see what I mean. Cause it's fun. To have a chat with people. To speak what I'm feeling and thinking. Ask for help and advice. Nothing to do with being a teacher or a student.

Not at all what I'm saying. Just let go the whole spirituality -narrative, even for a moment.

Yeah, cause often (especially on this forum) the word "teacher" is manipulation. It's belief in insecurity/unworthiness projected as teachers and students. Not always, but you smell the obvious poop when it's there.

I hope you don't talk to yourself the same way. Shame is bit of a troublemaker, and a sweet spot for manipulation you know.

I'm not even talking some nondual "there is no you". I'm talking about the atmosphere and "spiritual teacher" propaganda. No nonduality, just some good ol "let's not allow ourselves to be manipulated".

lol You guys LOVE the teacher / student shit here. I bet you'd come up with a thousand and one rationalizations. Keep on with your stories built on insecurity and bloated self-image. ? Just blatant manipulation and narcissism.

The list says "as spiritual teachers, we commit" The list is not for the "seeker" but for the "teacher". There. Are. No. Spiritual. Teachers. That is manipulation and dogma. You don't need a fucking list of ethics. Anyone calling themselves a teacher, or feeding you belief that there is spiritual teachers & students, is enough to know if your guy is on the actual path.

"Whew! I almost wasn't self-aware, open, and humble about the limitations of my knowledge and experience. I almost exploited people for financial and sexual gain. Good thing there's this code for spiritual teachers like me." ????

Mix of both.

No, it's obviousness for anyone not brainwashed and manipulated. This is not at all what I'm talking about. Of course, listen what others are saying.

Each one of those things in that list is obvious. If you need a code like that, you're not on the path. ? Spirituality and awakening isn't some doctrine or system. It's wild, untamed, arises naturally. There are no teachers. That whole list is just egomania and manipulation.

None of these things will be a problem if one simply walks the authentic path. There are no teachers. That's egos bullshit.

How about just actually walking the path lol?

Took about 4 grams of shrooms, it started off pretty well, breakthrough etc. But after the peak while watching a netflix show, started experiencing as if the show was "talking" to me, giving deep metaphysical messages. The messages were basically that life = hell, enlightenment / god = death and that all this is a game where I need to be brave and selfless enough commit literal physical suicide. Tried to calm down and talk some sense to myself but it persisted, and got even worse. For example, started thinking the life of Jesus was a message for me, that I need to die too to be enlightened and happy and whatnot. Panic attack ensued, went for a walk and tried to calm down, but it didn't help. My parents lived nearby so a went there and told them I took shrooms & am experiencing these thoughts. I said I want to go to the hospital. They were first going to give me a ride, but I told them no because I felt like I could just jump out of the moving car, since I felt like a "pull" to just commit suicide and be done with it already. So they called an ambulance and I spent the rest of that night at the hopsital. During the next few weeks though, the delusions persisted. There was like a doubt stuck in my mind: "what if it was actually true? What if I really need to commit suicide?" There was constant anxiety. And at some point it started to seem like everywhere I looked or went, the world gave me the same message to commit suicide. I saw it in books, TV, social media, heard it in radio, what random people talked on street etc. Like I was living a solipsistic dream and the only way out was suicide. So I went to psych ward, spent some time there and took antipsychotics. Eventually the worst delusions and psychotic stuff started to subside, though it took about a year to start really see the healing, why it might have happened and feel better. Now it's been a couple of years. It's pretty clear to me what really happened and where the thoughts and paranoia came from. It was one hell of a bad trip, brutal as fuck but very effective in that it brought up the very fundamentals of thought-attachment, suppression, aversion and ego.

There is ideology, not ideological traps.

Almost every thread I've seen is locked when people start feeling things. If people argue pointlessly, let them argue. If it's pointless, they'll see it for themselves. Thats what's "productive". Finding out for yourself. Uncovering for yourself. Not authority. ? The thread-locking habit of this place is reflective of what's really going within. Believing thoughts and not being open to inspect and dispel them. The pointless debate and thought-attachment will just continue rolling if it's not brought to light. This is like spirituality 101.

Stop locking threads for no reason. ? Just let things fall naturally. Misleading and manipulative as fuck.

Then what's the problem? ? If you're not satisfied with a service, ask for a refund. And if they don't accept, then go on criticizing, calling it dishonest and a fraud or whatever. Go tell them you're not satisfied and thinking that you got duped. If he said that it's not gonna work, but you still kept having sessions, and you paid for it, it sounds like it was you who wanted to have the sessions. Why do you blame him for your choice to keep having sessions?

Once again, very misleading and ignorant stuff shared on this thread. The only thing that is, is not "just your subjective experience". What is, is the substance, or source of all that is, which is never experienced, known, or became conscious of. Solipsism is not Truth. Solipsism can never be experienced, became awaken / conscious to, or known, which means it could not be the case even if it was the case. Solipsism can only be thought or believed (and the suffering of doing so felt). What is the eternal Truth, is the substance / source of thought, like the thoughts "solipsism" or "my subjective experience" for example.

@Raptorsin7 Have you asked the money back?

Yeah I think Leo should totally do something live. 1 on 1 sessions or group zoom sessions.