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@Raze This is way too indirect. Not a honest accusation to my impression. In this way I can connect many countries to many things out of deterministic explanations. The responsibility of the attackers is always at the bottom of the list.

Mistakenly because I marked his message inside your message to him so it did it this way I will be more cautious to this next.

What is the next step? "Israel has created Isis"? (To karmadhi)

The cake is ~40% of the public. 25.5% of the cake want to settle in gaza out of pre-existing ideology. Which means that ~10% of Israelis have a hard core (what I assume the word Zionism means in the foreign unofficial media) more stable ideological aspirations (less depend on oct7) to settle in Gaza. https://www.idi.org.il/articles/57341

Years for sure.

@Lila9 Agree and I am glad to see you back here 🙂

But then again the logical mind will overshadow the child's wisdom 😄 I think each person must allow himself occasionally to alternate between the edges and feel them fully completely seperately from each other in a zigzag like way, forever, to improve their integration between them. The timing and phase will be determined by one's intuition.

Absolutely agree. Important points.

The unofficial media is heavily dominated by anti-Israeli public figures who make thousands of YouTube videos without ever having set their foot in Israel.

Pleased to help.

It is now clear to more and more people that new hamas members are being created all the time, soldiers are being killed and that the war is pointless. I don't have a poll to show what % think that way, but I can say I start to hear that more in interviews here.

If you guys take a sector within Israel and decide it is "Israel" then don't be surprised when Israelis genenaralize hamas on Palestinians. If one wants to really be better than Israelis he should start with his own double standart.

And go back to Europe?

They have to. But what do you suggest they will do? Netanyahu, Ben Gvir and Smotrich voters will never admit they are wrong.

Sectors and Ideologies among the Jews differ greatly. Jews and Christians were negligible in percents in the last centuries. There were many trials during 90s and 00s. A bit difficult after reality of terror attacks.

When you introduce a different religion into a region that was previously homogenous in another religion, especially in a stage red and blue mentality, it will naturally cause destabilization. This doesn't mean the process shouldn't happen especially if you consider the Jewish history in Europe. If you're facing a crisis with your family due to differing beliefs, it doesn't necessarily mean the destabilization is wrong. Yes there is a room to critisize the way it happened and keep happening from both sides.

I think it can be smarter to leverage Abraham Accords to put pressure on Palestinians and Israelis to promote a deal. If we had now a different government of say Yair Golan, Lapid, Gantz and Aizencot in key positions, they would more likely go with that because this resonate with their worldview far more than the messianic government we have now of Ben Gvir, Smotrich and Netanyahu.

@Twentyfirst The 250 pound one feels as treatened as the 100 because he is one of its kind in the neigborhood of more 100 pound men.

This is a misleading picture. The reality is a complex feedback loop between increasing security threats and the tightening of the IDF's control in the West Bank, with intricate causal dynamics.

In 2018? They were violent. They could have initiated genuine declarations of their willingness to come to the negotiation table. Barely did it.

Resistance? Really? Will the results change if we continue repeating the same strategies over and over again? Is this truly the way to alleviate the fears of Israelis and earn their trust? (The same applies to the Israeli side.) Isn't it time to think outside of the box and move away from strategies that clearly aren't working?

If it depends on this government especially in its current composition I agree. Without Ben Gvir and Smotrich parties, and surely with an oppositional government this would be an entirly different story.

MK in the Centrist party "The is a future" Meirav Cohen: "The masks have been removed. Ben Gvir and Smotrich would rather ressetle in Gaza than bring the kidnapped home. The majority of Israeli public thinks otherwise".