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Where is the surprise? The accusations here are rooted 90% in psychology and self-serving motivations and maybe 5-10% at most in real history.

@lina But the escalation started in the 1920s when both sides worsen their steps all the time. Many see it in a very one sided view but it isn't a realistic view. And then they wonder why pro Israelis don't agree with them. Not everything is biases. Moreover when after holocaust and when had a rich history in this land centuries ago, you can't tell Jews they can't migrate here or that this isn't legitimate becasue it is. This is a complex issue with no clear cut simple answers.

I have never had a friend or a family member who said we are "chosen", but listen whoever don't live here naturally will be judgmental and skeptical and do generalizations. I don't know how I can make you know my country better rather to add twitter posts from many voices. Up to you in the end what you decide. All good.

Once you framed it in an underestimated way then of course you WANT the Jews to have less credit on this land. And since you want it to be that way, maybe we should not argue at all because this is how you preceive Jews and Israelis and this is yours.

@MKAUS I remeber that. Not an innocent protest as you describe it in my opinion. It was barbaric shown. hamas is way more brutal to them than Israeli restrictions and if you can't admit that the discussion is pointless. I am out.

Well if that is the attitude I can't convince you otherwise. Try when you have time to think what you as a citizen or a soldier of a country treatened from 5 directions would think.

@MKAUS Innocent people who get killed in an uncareful enough war against terorrists is far from being the way you describe it.

Because they know the country firsthand. I hate the current government though.

@MKAUS How those Palestinians were threated under Egypt and Jordan before Israelis settled there? Why do you automatically assume it was better? Actually in every other Arab countries the Palestinians conditions would have probably worse and with less freedom. I also can't take seriously when people display the problem so unproportionally.

@MKAUS If by historical record you mean only last 50 years than no wonder it feels that way because the settlements are being expanded more and more for no justified reason, but I would argue with you about the beginning of the settling in West Bank - only the third western part of it - which was necessary.

In Trump's plan there had to be a tunnel that will connect between Gaza and West Bank. It seemed back then (in 2018/9) that Bibi and Trump like displayed the plan together and I had a feeling that even the Likud was for it. It's interesting to see how so similar plan to Oslo in 1994 suddently being accepted by part of the right wing when a right winger displays it. It proves that everything in the end breaks down to camp thinking.

And prior to the holocaust that shuffled all the cards made Jews to stay without an option but to come back to a land on where they were a majority for many centuries (before deportated and became a minority for more centuries). In the total sum both Jews and Arabs have quite an equal say on this place and a two state solution is the most fair one.

@Karmadhi Again I am totally for 2 state solution and think it is the just and sustainable solution. But its important to see a balanced picture and remember also that 2 million more palestinians are already live in Israeli cities with full peace and freedom alongside the Jews. In Bat-Yam beach now.

Some leave but in the other hand the moderate-democratic camp becomes more active and still roughly half of the Israelis.

A future optional government of Lapid, Gantz, Yair Golan will have chemistry with them and no problem to reach genuine understandings.

https://x.com/naamalazimi/status/1819036209110503668

No major war but only if get cornered to an immediate existential threat. Thats the aim of the nuke. Was US mistake. Agree about the invasions. Yes, that was Trump and Bibi's mistake.

What Israel will do against 6 Muslim countries if won't have a nuke to detter them? Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Hezbollah, Iran, Turkey and Syria together. Imagine that. This is a pretty serious threat.

These are all the symptoms on the shell. The intentionality and essential aim in the core is what matters.

Hezbollah is an arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard IRGC, therefore its DNA is identical to the Iranian regime way of thinking which has nothing to do with an occupation of a Jordanian or Syrian land (Hezbollah is from Lebanon even), but with the Israeli entity itself. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

👍 Trying to keep routine. But I feel that from this year nothing is the same. The discussions are always near the issue of the war and services and the stress. Hope you are doing fine too.