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I feel like in that forum there are people who are in the cutting edge of understanding OCD. Who were in CBT and have tried many things and did self investigation and self inquiry for their mental problem and therefore are the richest in their experience. Thats what I think. I just had a relatively hard time with my ocd and my anxiety during last month, and that is although the 3 years of daily mindfulness I have behind me. I also have insights and I'll for sure share it here too. How much experience do you have in your own ocd? What did and didn't help you? Are you doing meditation techniques and for how long? Does it enough to deal with your mental peoblem or not? And just Everything you want to share here about your insights. I think It can be helpful to do an ocd brainstorming here.

You think OCD created, or at least became a serious disorder mainly because of western culture? I thought about it in the past and it seems right to me. In the past people suffer less from ocd.

Yes thank you ? ill try and update?

What do you think triggered this dark night meant in the article? Maybe chemical changes in the body and brain due to pregnancy, which created a snowball and bubbled up of all her psychological issues?

Sometimes the ego press you to do effort and push yourself and maybe part of the flow is also flow with the ego! Sometimes. What do you think?

I think if you change the topic headline to "people with social difficulties today/in childhood or with asperger/autism you will get more comments because people are afraid of rigid lables and don't want to identify themselves with autism if have mild cases. that might hide from this thread the truth. I had social difficulties in school, especially elementary school. A psychiatrists thought that I have asperger and last year A psychologist said he think I understand well social situations and maybe I have a very little of asperger maybe a borderline issue of asperger.

I miss self love in spiritually training? Thats what I think I missed and today I tried to add this to the meditation. Or do you mean to other things?

Thanks to you ?

In an infinite loop which will create in your brain. Because of the illusion of duality that we create to survive and its just groundless! Even after I understood and even had experience of equinimity and first awakening experience (this days. Yes only first time but it was so special and new. Exactly what written in daniel m ingram book) Its still doesnt help and my mind is running after itself in an infinite loop and with anxiety. Only Love and a sense of humour can handle this. we aren't wired to deal in life with no continious fresh income of self care and from others too all the time (to protect from predators). That the wiring and thats it. You cant cheat billions of brain cells. Even awakening will not solve it. Only love. Awakening/enlightement will help too but its not enough. Its more complex than that!! Fresh insight from unwilling to sleep night (in israel its night right now). Now i will try again to sleep i have to wake up in 4.5 hours ?

Can you explain more? I dont know I understood what you meant.

So maybe no technique meditation will never help if we don't incorporate love with in?

? Even if the selfless awakened is superior - the real superiority is an healthy integration of the two.

I meant that the advance people are inferior to the inferiors in some aspects Thats why i said its not linear and there is no one ladder to measure advanceness. It is more complex than that. Even tough the advanced are closer to the absolute truth, still Learning is always mutual.

How it contradicts what I wrote? Obviousely advance people will show the path to the truth to the less advanced ones. But, the advanced people can very easily forget things that the less advanced people do more and there is a good deal of truth also in their path. If you are really spiritually advanced - you will have to do integration between the two! Attaching too much to spiriualy path and neglecting others asspects of life is by itself a good resource for suffering. and it can so easily be forgotten.

@tsuki "inferior" understanding is only relative and not linearily "less" than the superior one. Spiritual advance people can easily forget to do integration between their agenda and the 'inferior' agenda. People who are much less spiritual can still teach the advance people things, like for example, balance between spirituality and other behaviours that they most likely forgot during their spiritual path - like socializing more, do more sports, re-develope participation in regular society. Integration is very important! I am claiming that this kind of integration is - Turquoise.

How can I transcend this desire to happiness? Because its totally instinctive desire. What can i do?

What i miss in this process? I head first real experience of awakening because of tough emotional period + the daniel m ingram book. After i read the equinimity paragraphe he read than i realized and the dots get connected and this is so special feeling! But - the anxiety keep going and even got stronger and i dont know why. It has very dissapointed me. I start to think that equinimity and awakening is not enough to feel good. What I miss in order to feel better? Because i HAD awakening experience this week it was so special. I understood all feeling are same and all moments also. Its feels like total equinimity exactly how its written in his book "the core teaching of the budha". So great thing i reached. But the anxiety just get stronger yesterday and ocd was 200 km/hr inside my jead. Like the awakening didnt really help!

Maybe you right but when you do "observing" much enough, than it become the zero point of the mind and feels just as any regular egoic action, and it looses the effectiveness. Imagine if you responde every anxiety attack in "observe". After a while the system gets so regular to this so It becomes to be the new compulsion. when I changed technique and than after a while returned to the "observe", than sometimes it come back fresh and work again. Or do you mean that if ill reach more concentration ability it will work better? I just dont want to think that we must do a lot of effort in order to combat ocd and i believe its false.

NOW you'r saying its bad? You should say it 10 years ago ?

? thanks thats exactly what ill try from now.

Even to "observe" its a groundless technique that I have realized that simply doesnt work when Im in ocd or anxiety attack. Maybe only the body is the answer - slow down as you said and maybe also sit down for a minute without doing nothing.

@Zorka meditation and spiritually seeking can be very helpful as long as it is just one piece of your day and don't make you do less the other things you do in life. If the process makes you to be less with family and less with friends - than you are doing wrong. Spirituality might not be a private nor an isolating thing. Its very easy to fall the cycle of intrusive thoughts. If it already more than an hour left and you still try to solve this backlash issue that makes you afraid - just do another things! The solution will come to you effortlessly on its time The whole spritually process have to be in balance with other activities in life, for your emotionaly health!

Actually this 'dark night' was less dark than the previous in 2018, which was less dark than 2017 which was less than 2016. Which means a real progressing trend line. Maybe dark twilight of july. Insights: 1. Every moment is good and interesting enough by itself! Always. Goals are fine but not as a replacement of present moment well being. If you feel different look for maslow hierarchy most basic needs (under self achivement). Every other reasoning the brain does = illusion and not the actual reason. "But I dont feel good enough because I didnt achived that goal and that goal" = illusion. 2. No technique which comes from the head can deal by itself with backlashes. The technique will neutralized by the brain. Sensations and feeling are better to use but still 99% of the time are manipulated to the favor of surviving strategy. Any method which incorporates activities done by the head - even most simple you can think of and which takes only one second - will fail most of the time during backlashes because the frontal cortex is neutralized and you won't feel "clicks" means the brain will not give you a permission that the thing was actually done. 3. Body activity - walk, sit and do nothing for a minute etc. - is a much better way. Still dont know if enough, but better for sure. 4. Dont be attached too rigidly to any method and dont forget the IDEAS (not techniques, not mantras) of acceptance, love or just making yourself something tasty to drink (only natural! ?) 5. Micro ego backlashes (after micro ups) happens all the time! Maybe the serious ego backlashes are just a lot of micro backlashes that accumulated cause suppressed by us during the months?

I understood what Leo meant I just said i agree with 2 states solution ? But I admit that I want it because israel interests only. From bird eye yes i understand its not easy maybe i am missing things but, the best way *to the palestinians too* is to incorporate in the process an "economic peace" which will encourage economical development of west bank and help them to be more orange because this is a stage they can grasp and move into! Thats the best mayble only hope to make change in the relationships between israel and palestinians.

I agree we need to seperate oursleves from the palestinians because the friction is exhausting and also corrapts us.