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Great answer love it. Really helps what you said ??

So lock the whole forum.

Seems weird to me that reason is above acceptance am forgiveness. Reason is much less developed.

Agree. I will try. Agree too.

It less magical because if science see the whole picture of self love than it is sad to us because it harms our spiritual view. At least about love. I personally want Leo to be right, and precisely because of that i try to challenge what he says from scientific pov to see that science's pov is limited but cant see it yet. How can we know that all what you guys think (including Leo) about love is not just the brain tricks us? We cant know.

Evolutuon gave us both because this is more efficient for survive as a species than just one kind of emotions.

But what if the transcendent self love appears in our experience just because we feel now safe enough and the following mission of our brain is to love more and more because this is what helpes our species to survive? If you love more - you will want to defend other people from predators. Again, i dont like this scientific simplification but we have to be careful not to dismiss it even if it contradicts our spiritual beliefs that love is "more" than this.

I think the scientific explanation IS part of the picture. But how do we know its not the whole picture?

That me myself was, uncousciousely, 'corrupt' to myself (relative to today) when I was too mechanical when I did meditation and other techniques without love, because I barely saw this option. Even when i heard it in one of Leo's video it wasnt implemented in myself. Only 2 months ago i fully realized this thing. I tried to improve myself all the time like 24/7 try to take care of myself. but in a mechanical way. So its not that i wasnt care about myself. I thought almost only in how to make myself happier and less anxious. But i didnt do enough the self-love way, because i barely knew that way of practicing. Therefore when Bibi netanyahu or Trump do stupid things, I now can see that I also had parts of me that behaved the same(!) To myself. In other content of course, but in its essense it is the same! I was SURE I am accepting myself fully. I didnt see I wasnt. It was like a shadow I could barely see. In backward view its now obvious to me that i ran after goals so stressfuly because i felt me myself now is not good enough. Only now it fully 'clicks' to me.

What are the things that liberals can learn from conservatives? Also i think, that cognitive developmemt is much deeper than education and culture, and in many more subtle and individual fields - personally and inter-personally, a conservative person can be in green and even above. Not as a rare case, but even as a common case.

Actually when i wrote it I though only on blue ? conservativism associates for me directly to blue. In Israel many free market ideologists like to call themselves proudly "liberals" ??‍♂️ its very trendy. Yes, in relative to communism, you ARE... But yes, i know conservativism is blue-orange mix.

@Recursoinominado I think you dont have to inherent those blue-orange value in their original context, because only the structure is important here, which to say that you can use those commitment and discipline values only in your higher-consciousness goals and it will be enough. For example: have a discipline to maditate every day at least 30 minutes.

Today i was sitting with my best friend in a restaurant in Tel Aviv. He said that he won't vote for Bibi, but that the "Likud" (bibi's party) itself is good enough. I said "How its can be good enough?! Its a right wing conservative party. Its obvious that "blue&white" (centrist party) has much more good values... and the economic of them is much better..." and he said "why its better?" ... i said also that our party much more support gays. And he said that likud also supports...". He is my best friends and we have quite similar values in general lines. And then i was thinking like: wait a minute... we are RIGHT NOW dont agree about x y z. Lets just hear what he has to say NOW and talk about those details for theirselves. This is much stronger than the picture i have of the values and all of that. And then it just threw me to the present moment which, this is what there is! So like lets get out of the invisible magnetic field of the ideology and be just here. Only here. It was a very special feeling. Still I want to hear from him that he is closer to my party values cause its not easy to give that up (and i believe he is because i know him for years) but also im very curious to see more the liquid phase between the "ideas". Maybe the fact that he is not israeli in his origin makes him see the things differently. Maybe he doesnt know "likud" well enough. But even if its true, the controversy we had did something to me.

@Conscious life if you feel you want to be more "techniqually" or rationally minded, or competitive etc. So try this! And learn the lessons through your legs. Do what you feel is right for you at the moment. Self actualization will be seen feminine only from orange minded prespective. But, try for yourself and learn the right way from your own experience.

If you want Leo's good, Actualized channel's good and high quality videos - DON'T be pushy. In meantime, refresh old video stuff in your head.

I think what you want in not to be superior, but to be special and not "like others".

Exactly Anton ? listen guys to this video.

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Right to resist? Yes. they have right to resist their barbaric leadership.

What do you think the reason is? I want to help people who got into an issue and are frustrated because their family and friends doesnt feel at all like them (even tough you talked and talked and explained them about meat industry...). Me myself is vegan and i felt (and sometimes feel, even tough in less intensity today than i felt in the past) that its get me angry that my family doesnt do any even tiny dietary change trying. In my opinion the reason is: people are filtering out issues they dont want to really be exposed to, and therefore they have NOT really exposed to the animal suffering issue... because talking to them rationally its a very shallow level of explaining. If they were exposed (lectures on youtube, films....) + let the emotional filter open - than, only than, they would really understand the issue. So the solution is: they aren't heartless-careless people, they just have not yet really got the issue. We just have a built-in filtering mechanism in order to defend ourselves from overwhelming.

Yes but in this video i want not to turn my facebook friends vegan, but to help vegan people to deal with their dissonance and tough feelings about their family, because i suggest them a solution to the problem - explanation of why their family is ignorant, which will help them see their family and the whole issue in a systemic way (and not so emotionally).

I do videos which in them I share my experience and insights and i publish it on facebook and youtube

Most green people dont want to flatten all hierarchies or something like that. These are margins extremists. Vast majority of green people are relatively just sane and moderate people... and only want equality in opportunities (not results) for all. So what Integral yellow can do better? "But they are superficial in their protests and wont solve anything". Why? My political party will actually work in it day and night if they win. Equality in opportunities for all, enviromemtal caring, social-democratic or social-capitalist economy, more physical and mental health access to all, security (army, police). In the future more and more into more nature based health system. What can be better than that? And this is a... Moderate and sane GREEN policy. What integral-yellow will do better (society speaking) than this? I really cant see.

But moderate green IS better than all the previous stages because it comes later in the conclusion making process.

What social limitations will be in a moderate green policy? You mention purple to give example of limitation of a stage or you meant to something more? What limitations?