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Its difficult to say how much left there is becaue there is a center-left sector that thinks very similar and the "left" is a word people in israel afraid to identify with because of the Netanyahu toxic propaganda during the years. So its better to start from the right lol ? The Right wing, or conservatives, within Israel is like 55% I think. Within the Right there are: Far right which wants to settle in the whole land without any compromises. Moderate Right ("Bibizm") who are not so into the settlement (a little) but still conservatives and traditional. Soft-Right, at least this is how we call it here, which is Right in the state and lands issues but Liberal and much more open to diversities in people lifestyle. Close to the center-left sector. These are the people I saw that moved to the opposite sector to co-operate with during the last years so its not just a name its practically important. The Center-Left sector, or Liberals, is like 25%, but together with the soft right is just a little less from the Right wing sector. Within the Center-Left sector there are: Center-left (surprisingly) which is exactly like Liberals in US I think and not far at all from western europe values. very pro gays, pro minorities... everything you want. Left who wants to get back to 67' with some changes. And there are Arab parties represent 20% of the population who I am much less know about their values but its kind of a mix. Means - The right wing sector is a little bigger but thats enough for him to win election time after time especially with Netanyahu who is very charismatic and plays people minds. But these days more people in the Right stand against Netanyahu because of its extreme low values during the last years so there is a hope. And now we have that military operation which I think the main responsible for the acceleration process in Jerusalem which lead to the current war is Netanyahu after the Center-left almost won him (until the current war). Of course the world see mainly the negative things, overlook the complexity, and cherry pick the Right and the Far Right (the "aphartide" is maybe-maybe only the far right which is just 15%) and decides that this is "Israel". No this is not.

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I am not justified the right wing attitude within Israel, but you have to be more nuanced here. There are forces within Israel who are trying right now to establish a left-center government and they are not any less developed than your biased opinion you have just wrote.

The mentality gap between the palestinine government and the Israeli center-left attitude is very high. The palestinine mostly can't understand the language of equality and civil rights and all of that. Therefore we need to meet them in the middle in a purely orange attitude with an economic peace, and only than there is a real hope for the both sides to get closer. Unfortunately Netanyahu chose to throw oil to the fire exactly during the days when the center-left tries to establish a government after he has failed. and the current war is (a big part of it) obviously for political reasons.

I feel Its a very big barrier from reaching stage yellow. The more I get deep into green, I see how even "Libarals" are not really liberals. After their "justice" protest, they go home, watch TV 2 hours, trust only doctors that will cure them, don't understand their mental problems, don't understand themselves, aren't connected to nature. Therefore the fact that they blame our leaders in corruption is a little hypocrisy, because they are themselves corrupt because all that I mentioned above. That's makes me want to be more multi-perspectival in politics as I feel I have already exhausted the liberal POV I was in during the last years. BUT - How can I do it, if I know that Blue (for example) POV is so far below? I want to be empathetic with Blue and justified him sometimes, but I know that he is like a 18yo boy and far for me, and I can't really connect with him genuinely, and so its disappointing. Yes... blue can teach us discipline, work ethics, order, but thats all? That's all the super-flexible being-in-the-moment yellow approach can suggest us?? I want to find real evidences to make me feel that Blue can sometimes really understand me in places orange not! There are such places? I don't want to feel always far from blue. I want to give him more credit than that. And another general question: How can you be yellow if you know that the deep-green POV is 10-times better than all the other views? not liberals, but the real green people which are 10% and has also natural and health awareness. Again. blue teaches us what I mentioned above, orange teaches us that sometimes its right to get help from western medicine for short periods, red teaches assertiveness... OK but again, this is all the yellow multi-perspectival-ism has to say? it still little, and deep-green is still 10-times better than all of this together. change my mind.

Its all good and fine, but I still don't see here the "Insect-eye" of yellow which finds many partial truths in what lower stages say in many situations.

Can you give examples for that?

Thank you very much! By "distinction" you mean to points you can learn from lower stages too when you talk with them?

Can you explain what you mean here? What do you mean here that Orange does?

stage brown ? probably a depressing stage...

I want to clarify its not meant personally for Leo, but for the solipsistic attitude itself. First of all I wanted to say that this "Aloneness" topic is hard for me personally. Maybe its because I went trough social rejection on-and-off and social difficulties that accumulated to couple of years when I was a child (I'm 33 yo, just look younger) and it was I think a trauma for me, and maybe it affects my attitude towards this Aloneness Ideology. I think thats also the root cause of my ocd and anxiety and the need all the time to "prove" my validity and it affects my self image, BUT I'm in an healing process and also in withdrawal from AD that I felt did bad for me during the last couple of years (out of 10) I use them, and I have to say that Leo's content helps me a lot in my process and I learn to love myself more and more. So maybe I am emotionally biased here, but yet - this is true for everyone. Everyone have their own biasies which affect their worldview and depends on their psychology and their past. I think Solipsism is an INHERENT pitfall of stage Turquoise. Inherent, built-in within the turquoise (mainly turquoise of course) package, for the good things this stage has and for the bad things. But it still important to make a dinstinction here. If its meaning is that the whole universe is a one deterministic unit, one organism, one thing without seperation (becuase nobody is really in control) and you are / everything are all together in this as the GOD head, what I admit I am just starting to see in my direct experience, then its OK an valid. But, if you (everyone, not Leo personally) say that even when I choose to define myself as a limited human - if you say that even then I'm alone in the universe, and Me (as Niv) exists, but my parents aren't - sorry but now you are dogmatic and taking it too far, and in that point I lose you and thats the point when Turquoise enters its unhealthy zone. Someone here said its smells like a dogma and maybe it is. PLEASE keep in mind that a Blue person ALSO thinks he got the absolute. Yes, Leo is obviousely more advanced, but remember that its still RELATIVE. In the future there will be more stages and every stage thinks he got the full picture. I have a lot of respect for Leo and for what he says that we have to do the work and valid the thing for ourselves. I think he is one of the smartest and most consciouse people in society. surely in the cutting edge. I learn from him a lot and even agree with 90% and even more of what he says. I aware of the need to do cross-sources investigation. I do this, and I read many books of also other consciouse people. Its all came from genuine positive intentions and desire to keep leraning from Actalized.org and say what is important for me to say. Again not about him personally but about this specific dogma. Yes, this sneaky dogma called solipsism that can be also dangerous, which I wanted to address here.

thanks!?? I would love to talk and also raise awareness about what doctors don't know/don't want to know about AD. Just couple of months until around summer. Thank you! Thank you and good luck to you too in your journey. With this I agree. A very wise comment, and I agree. I will have to read it couple of times more.

thanks An interesting way to cope with the root of the problem. I have not think about it. thank you I will try it.

Exactly! Thats what I think the healthy version of this. You described it great. We understand each other Either is me who didnt ask the question clearly enough, Or is the teacher didnt know how to explain it in a way that will bridge between his thought and mine. Or both.

You are right. ❤❤❤

yes. the thing I imagine when I think about "aloneness" its probably not the same thing Leo meant. Thank you ? This topic triggers my anxiety and I am also in withdrawal and healing process please Leo be gentle with me. a hard topic for my sensitive nervous system.

100% so there is also no a first person to be alone. Nobody is alone. Full circle. Lets go the circle till its end without cherry pick.

"I" have now direct experience of an emotion and a thought, and "you" also have one right now. Even is we are interconnected because we are all one deterministic organism there are still billion of experiences right now.

@Nahm I am 100% sure that the "alone" i think of it is not at all the same as the "alone" Leo think of it. Because if the consciousness is different - the word has different meaning too. Thats why its so hard to understand what exactly is being spoken. But what I sure is that I am not lonely at all. This is something else I feel i understand to some extent but not fully obviousely. I will read once again what you wrote as I go back from work. This issue makes me nervous lol

No. My friend who is very consious says that Leo thinks that as a human im not alone but as GOD im yes because we are all one unit. One thing. But as a human - i have experience and my mother has her experience. I will call him here maybe he can ask the question in a more understandable way.

I read all and still didnt understand

@Leo Gura You say that only I have experience and feelings. But my mother and father don't have their own experience because I am imaging them? And me (as Niv) is the only one that has an experience of its own?

@tuckerwphotography Also the more I read about covid vaccine I get the impression that this vaccine because its a new type of vaccine might be more problematic and I do read the whole spectrum of opinions and my impression is not good. Maybe for the old population its justified, but I think humanity will have to surrender and evolve THROUGH this disease in a form of deep perspective shift on the issue, and not by conquering the disease because we won't conquer.

@r0ckyreed Every stage thinks that his thinking is complete and he reached the finish line. What stage coral thinks about this? We still dont know. Which means you can only trust yourself (but do the work). But, its useful to listen to the variety of perspectives. I think more like you in this specific thread.

Or maybe you won't have to because maybe we need 70%-80% of vaccinated people to end the pandemic. Personally I'm going to see what will happen. Right now I have no intention to take the vaccine. I dont see a big enough justification for me to do that.