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Right. They are also spread on many stages of development as you said and i agree with this. But hamas do want.

@PurpleTree The far right-wing is indeed not share my values and represents merely 10% of the Israelis.

Sorry if I am not seems to talk calmly about the broad more conscious picture in this thread (as I always try to see in another areas) but as an Israeli I feel I have to battle a bias of fake symmetry I see here a lot between allegedly two sides of the same coin which is not the case in reality.

True. both sides are to blame in the big dymanics of the events, but there is one side who wants to eliminate the other, and one side who wants to live peacefuly. This is not to say that Israel doesnt make mistakes and doesnt have a long way to keep developing, but please, there is no place of comparison between Israel stage of development and this of hamas.

I think you are right but lets not fall into a "neutrality" or "symmetry" trap here, because the value systems of both sides are utterly different.

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Exactly. They are tribalistic in their mentality and in the unhealthy version of it. We are organized society and totally different.

For 20% of them (and hamas between them) this is really true.

@Nabd This is more complex than that. The left-center opposition wants to negotiate and strenghten the moderate side within the palestinians but Netanyahu wants hamas to stay strong becasue it serves him. Very frustrating.

The opinions and responses I hear from Israelis are highly divergent. Everyone is taking it in another way. Yes, there are many fearful and angry (I dont blame them. This is traumatic) who wants to response harshly on gaza. But there also many Israeli people who just looking to help in any way they can. Many valuntirs to blood donation, or another kind of help to all who get injured and alive.

Right. This is an unhealthy stage red gang against stage blue-orange (and locally above) military.

Exactly. Hamas is a pure blood thirsty gang who wants to conquer Israel in one peace. No negotiation can be done with this ISIS-like mentality organisation.

Indeed very traumatic. More than 100 Innocent civilians are being killed and 50-100 are being kidnapped. Old woman in her own home who was forced by hamas people to take selfie and then kidnapped. Its a completely non-symetric war.

I agree with you. The problem is very complex, and the current government is the least responsible we had so far. They are thinking in a very childish manner. But in the other hand, I am very optimistic now that the world can see better than ever, how brutalic is hamas and how zero semtiments to human life he has. The videos hamas publishes are extremely difficult to watch. Israeli children, old woman, young woman with small children are kidnapped to gaza with guns over their heads. I saw an astounishingly difficult video of an Israeli ~8 y.o boy ALONE in gaza being tourmented by palestinian children who are laughing at him and its been encouraged by hamas people. Who knows if he will live for the next few weeks. Of course childs tend to be cruel sometimes no matter their ethnicity, but this is heartbreaking to any Israeli to watch.

What you did is great if it right for you at any moment. Nice to hear you found a reliefe. Spirituality can be many things. For me, thinking newly and respectfuly investigate the symptoms was helpful and a game changer.

Yes. Seeing your emotion and thoughts as an illness is indeed self deception.

Nobody denies mental problems and the tremendous suffering they are creating, neither the genetic component of mental constructs, nor the significance of wise use of symptom-masking tools in stages of the journey. But to say that some mental conditions fundamentally requires medication for life just because of the genetic condition is to play to the devil hands.

Please try to not get drown too much in these definitions that can only make you feel worse. I would suggest you to investigate your nutrition deeply. Trust yourself first and foremost. Pills can help. Take them if you want but you yourself know they dont last long term and their withdrawal can be really dangerous. Take them but wisely, and never see them as a root solution. Symptoms are valid signals and have to be inveatigated seriousely. It will take hard work but it will worth it. Symptoms are not enemies, not pathologies and not "illness". Genetics can cause different mental constructs but these are still not "ilnesses" and not necessarily have to cause suffering. Spirituality has No meaning at all if we in the end regressing back to psychiatrists pov's. You are HEALTHY and you will improve. I am talking from experience. Wish you good luck.

1 out of 4 to 5 take them, and many of them even after don’t need them anymore, still stuck on them for years including myself because of the withdrawal problem. A very serious problem which 95% of the doctors grossly underestimate. I think these medications are a very legitimate strategy for people in different stages of their life when the person is not yet know himself enough and doesn’t have the consciousness and resources to help himself by his own. Chemically masking the problem with pills for an easier therapy with the real tools – psychology, personally customized nutrition, spirituality etc – is not a bad thing. Sometimes the situation is hard enough that the person needs something to ease him to do the real therapy. But Im also think we have to talk about the shadow-ish term "mental illness". This is true, that ther are many people who are more prone, genetically, to different forms of mental mechanics that may cause, after combining with environmental causes, a huge suffering (altough genetics alone cannot be enough to make a person suicidal in my opinion) but we have to remember that we are all sitting on a scale and the difference is only in intensity. The boundary between mental health and mental "illness" is highly artificial and subjective. I can easily remember of many suffering-loaded spiritual phenomenas discussed here, in books and in the videos that are perfectly overlaps with many mental conditions. I think the "mental illness" term is a harmful, self fueling term which makes people suffering much worse, and it will be grasped as a dark aged term in the future. But also I DONT want to convince! To convince is just a fake influence because other people just take what someone says directly, and not really realize it independently. If I will "convince" I won't feel anymore happy. I just want to float up this subject and make people think about it again for themselves. Please let's remember that symptoms are always the brain and mind trying his best to respond a condition - just like flu symptoms is always the body's reaction - and therefore they are intelligent and healthy in their structure and their essence (regardless of the false and problematic to directly believe content) and have to be respected and investigated in order for us to heal.

when the dose is too difficult, Isnt it sometimes wiser than stopping the round totally which causes more redistribution? explain below: Right now I am doing a round with 1mg and I feel its maybe makes me stressed and its a little difficult. I dont know if its real or only psychological, so the only way to check this is to take 3-5 times higher dose in the next round. Otherwise I might be stuck at a psychological barrier without knowing I can do much more. So say the next round I will start at 3mg and it will be really too difficult, in this case if i will stop I might cause an obvious redisteibution of heavy metals in my body. But if I will decrease in 0.1-0.2mg every 3 hours until find a dose I can tolerate, Isnt it wiser and will cause much less redistribution? I am assuming that, maybe, the protocol is written strictly for the "dumbs", without advanced nuances that can be better sometimes, but can't be communicated to not complicate the things too much and confuse people. What do you think?

@The0Self Thanks for the very interesting answer. I think I will take it every 2 hours also in the night I will pre weight the capsules before and it will be very easy just to swallow. I have a question, In how RS-ALA (50% R and 50% S) different from R-ALA in its action in the body? And why andy cutler opposed to take R-ALA? How can I know that ALA isn't also connected to some other cort mineral or other essential minerals in the heart for example and doesn't pull them out from the heart and change the relationship of minerals there? I know this is not a scientific claim, but it still scares me a little like how can anybody knows the full complextiy of what it does. At least in the R-ALA form I can know it is fully natural and our body already have that so I feel safer cause I know that it doesnt do that. But when we combine the S molecule syntheticly how can we be so sure it doesnt behave differently?

I understand. At this time of this message I was around ~36h, but I felt I couldn't keep more with 1mg, so I reduced to 0.9mg and stayed until 48h and then reduced to 0.8mg and stayed until now (80h) and I will keep going with the 0.8mg until tommorow I believe. Yes I reduced a little but this is much better than if I would stop cold turkey after only 36h. Next time I will do as you suggested, and I consider to choose a dose, take 66% of it but every *2* hours to ensure very stable blood level of the ALA.

If every finish of any round causes (more benefit but) also a damage because we stop, then why not after the 72 hours, decrease the dose graduately? This must be gentler to the system. For example: 1mg for 72 hours, then 0.9mg (75h), 0.8mg (78hr), 0.7mg (81hr), 0.6mg (84hr) .... 0mg after 102hr. I will try even though the effect is accumulating and I don't feel it fully at the beginning. I do it, but at 1mg the copper built up has to be very minor and be offseted easily but the zinc, isn't it?

Its not bullshit its relative. If you feel side effect so easily that means you have a lot to be done and even very low doses will make a significant change. The reference point is the side effects and not the absolute number of mg. Every one is different.

I have read that EDTA can bind to calcium and bring calcium to a dangerousely low level. My concerns is that becasue Alpha Lipoic Acid is a chelator agent, it is a binder and maybe might also pull calcium out the body. I would like to hear from someone who is well informed about this issue that can prove/disprove my concern. 2. How much mg of ALA our body produces naturally in average?