Nivsch

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  1. No such a thing. You have a goal and an emotion behind this "opened your eyes". Say for a second we try to cut off our emotions and be only rational, firstly what will happen is that after 2 seconds your mind will say "no way, I am not a robot" and quit it. But say you could be only rational, then you see the truth most clearly right? Wrong. The logical mind is thousands times slower in its capacity hold information, and actually these are emotions that hide much more information in them in the subconscious mind. The only way to be "objective" about this conflict is to have another bias which isn't one of the sides but rather a more elevated one like unity, love, caring for the whole system's long term health etc. But even then, when one of the sides seems in your opinion to hinder or go against this goal then you will judge it. But you are entangled in this, and when you do this you participate in this. Then you will have to surrender and understand better the other side's motives and be more balanced for example in how you divide the responsibility to the situation between the sides. But then you might feel you are again too neutral and you will resist it and want to be more active again. This is an ever growing up process involving emotions and biases all the time.
  2. Sounds a fair approach to me ok I agree with you here 👍
  3. There is no such a thing. I think truth is, in a sense at least, a war between biases that cannot be forcefully bypassed, but to be found graduately through the bias process.
  4. I don't think so, and I also think this is not fair to speak out against a person who cannot respond right now. I think @Lila9 shared many good and quite significant points from her own and from links too, and showed willingness to understand how the convesation should be in the improved form, but the emotions and the inertia got her to maybe add one link too much after the thread was already saturated from such things. I try to understand in a general sense what Leo felt and I think I can to some degree, but specifically about @Lila9 I really think she want to learn and change the way of approaching the conversation if need to.
  5. @Karmadhi I thought you meant that hamas meant only to target soldiers (and not Israeli citizens) but after read it two times again I see you meant only to Gazan citizens that you think didn't want to target Israeli citizens. Ok. So I am taking back the "denial of 7.10" part.
  6. @Karmadhi Sorry but you do a symmetry between I even ashamed to repeat on what, and also basically deny 7.10. I cannot comment to this kind of thing. Think what you want. A reasonable discussion it is not.
  7. I see another thing. The court is right about the problems displayed by him and that Israel has to be extra careful in the next steps. But, its decision generally does justice with Israel, because though considered SA claims, still didn't gave them a real or at least not an urgent plausibility, at least to how I interpret what I heard. If the court thought that SA claims are really plausible, it would demand Israel to stop or sustain the war, what didn't happen. So if to sum it up: A fair decision of the court towards Israel. In my opinion Owen Jones is stuck on an emotional tunnel view and hope he will grow out of that. But this doesn't mean he isn't right that there are serious problems in Gaza because of the war. I try to be fair as much as possible here after Leo's request but also cannot hold inside my feeling of inproportional focusing only on one side's responsibility to the situation.
  8. The problem with this approach is that in that way the whole notion of responsibility is completely diminished. Why? Because everything, but everything, can be "understood" if we study for enough time the psychology behind it. If we will investigate it enough, we will understand why Nazis started the war and killed 6 million Jews, gays, 'disabled' and more groups. That is the point when 'understanding the other side reasons' paradigm exposes its limits, looses its meaning and starts to eat itself. From those things we can conclude that every action of anyone, must also be examined under the responsibility lens. Nobody is exempted from it. No matter what is his stage of development and how his emotions or mental health or state is.
  9. @Lila9 You came at the minute I must go to sleep 😆 I tagged you and comment you under the woke video of Teal.
  10. +1 ❤️ Indeed the religion component is one factor but a significant one that cannot be overlooked.
  11. @kenway I dont know what you are trying to do but I have nothing personal against you and I really don't know you, apart from the method widespreaded here to upload unchecked links every 6 hours that only distorts and brainwashes the crowd opinions, even if you didnt meant to it. Thats all that I am saying.
  12. @Karmadhi US treatment for terrorists is better? Probably worse. Terrorists in Israeli prison get Netflix and even can do a degree. Our court is too soft for the view of many people.
  13. Sounds like you do a manipulation right now.
  14. Great so check first their reliability because otherwise this is just a brainwhashing method.
  15. No Israeli here takes seriously those link trees that proved to be very agenda driven and vague in their ability to provide proofs.
  16. @kenway Don't mislead without checking first. From the video we cant see ANYTHING. And up until now the only side who proved to kill civilians asking for aid is hamas.
  17. @Karmadhi I mean I don't know about the case you talk about but I found myself articles now. Although IDF denies the claims about severe conditions, I could not understand many from that, because the wording is general and doesnt relate to the details Gazans claims about. I believe there is something in many claims but I can't say anything about specific conditions and the terror suspicion level of every one of those people. It sounds complicated. But, fair enough, from the articles seems to me that there are for sure problems in the arrests conditions and treatments. Every culture has its dark places, and if you want to critisize fairly you will compare every such claim to other parallel cases in another western countries. This doesn't exemp the Israeli system from responsibility to develop itself and improve, but your critisizm emotionality and sense of urgency is clearly a sign of an agenda, but you have a right to hold an agenda just as I do myself too.
  18. @Karmadhi You will have to add the link from where you think what you think.
  19. @Bandman I think the low quality and style of your message speaks by itself (Edit: you erased this part ok) with all that I think your hard emotions are in the best case based on evidence only in the far edge cases (we speak about intentions here. Not outcome of casualities), they are still legitimate, and if you were to express your fears without the personal attack (edit: that you erased and thanks) maybe we could discuss.
  20. You are keep ignoring that the main survival strategy of hamas is to make it impossible for Israel to attack hamas combatabts without attacking civilians too. The main cause (95-99%+) of civilians casualties is hamas strategy to maximize them as much as he can. And this is not aimed to convince you, but to the silent readers here anyway. You will keep thinking just as you do and nothing gonna change this, I know. @Lila9 The absurd festival is in its peak. Speaking of festivals, did you celebrated Tu Bishvat?
  21. There is no proof here. This is hard to understand from the article what happened here, and anyway no Israeli here will take seriously aljazeera's reliability. Please add another source and I will take a look again.
  22. Excuse me but you will have to translate to me the first sentence. I understand you are against the elimination of hamas and therefore you want Gazans to keep suffering for more generations. Ok fair this is your opinion. Don't project your subconscious terror supporting agenda onto me.
  23. @Karmadhi Where did you see I am justify something? There are of course problems with tactics IDF do, but how does it contradict the big picture goal? The fact you guys are judging a highly justified strategic goal and often in a very devilish way for your hypocrite everything-but-clean agenda, doesn't make me justify problematic tactics or to be a kind of person you want me to be in your mind to not have to listen to me and face your agenda flaws.
  24. Thank you this is a great video. Instead of judging mainly the virus and its highly devious strategy, they are disproportionally over judging the overreaction and overaggression of the immune system, without realizing who they are jadging, and what is its greater function. In this way, they are just being played by the virus like puppets on its strings.