David Hammond

@Aakash Perhaps your concept of enlightenment doesn't exist ? Perhaps it's a perfect passive being with no drives to exist? That's a fantasy. Think about form for a while. Is it true that there will ever be a point when you can rest and there be no issues? Form is emptiness. Emptiness is form. That's the understanding you get once real enlightenment hits you. Nothing to do nowhere to go BUT here and now, this form with all of its problems. From that place problems are no longer a problem. They are situations because form requires an action. Now, how this relates to karma is that you still act but nothing sticks psychologically because its a flow state.

@Aakash Enlightenment does not mean you become passive..The samuri of Japan killed while honouring the spirit in their objective enemy. They played form, but they weren't bound to it spiritually.

Yes..once You become aware of your supreme identity. Before that it's just a lonely ego struggle. After it's a beautiful blessing

@Aakash The finite i is always there. You cannot be an object in existence without it. But your identity is something else. It's life itself.

Yes. Everyone is a Zen master in my eyes. Even someone who bursts into a school and shoots 15 kids and then turns the gun on themselves. And my grief over it is Zen. It's all Zen. The whole dance is Zen. There is nothing to improve on your drive to improve. It's about what is. What is can be no other way.

No it's doenst. You're not grasping what I'm saying. Let me try a different pointer. When enlightened masters like me and nahm say that everyone is enlightened or that there are no enlightened beings, we mean that everything that exists is enlightenment. All people are the enlightened mind at whatever level of mind or state or delusion they are. This means that life itself is God, the movement, the struggle itself, the delusion, the growth, going to work, striving to survive is enlightenment. Chop wood, carry water. Only this time it's basking in the background knowing that it's all perfection. Don't confuse enlightenment with a self improvement state where there are no problems or death or issues or highs or lows. That's what you are doing, you're waiting for IT to happen and be in absolute bliss. It doesn't work that way. But ironically bliss comes with the realization.

What is existence about other than change? Why is existence happening? Because of problems. This is why I am saying that non dual states are only training wheels to true enlightenment. There is the 'state'of no problems, but that is a duality between no problems and problems. True non dual understanding is what already is, everything in existence including the problem of delusion. This is why they say in dzogchen that ignorance is not a condition to be corrected. Ignorance is. You realize that your normal state was enlightenment all along. That's enlightenment. Nothing to do, nowhere to go

This is dualism under the pretence of non duality. You are subtly creating a problem when you say problems are imaginary. Problems are part of reality. It's part of the dance. If it were not for problems there would be no dance.

@Identity Watch the breath. Then understanding reveals itself

@Anton_Pierre Its a good start. Children are inquisitive curious beings. This is where it all starts and the opening of that crown chakra is where it will all end. That will be the moment when all your questions will be answered in one fell swoop.

@Scholar No, reality is perfection..it makes utter sense, right down to the most inane. It's all perfectly designed so that the whole thing can only operate perfectly with all of its parts. All action, all events are there as a perfect design with absolute purpose. There are no mistakes, it's a grand design.

@sausagehead All things are ultimately unknowable and ungraspable... for the mind.. when you understand this, when you awaken you will suddenly understand that these objects are you in their essence. They are still seperate objects, but the source is one living being.

Creative use of concepts and images... but not enlightenment. Sorry. Look at the object and ask yourself if you really really can ever know what it is using the mind. Then the object will suddenly appear before you. You will understand that you had never really seen it before as a seperate living vibrating being, of which it's original source is your original source.

No. Wtf?

@Anton_Pierre Watch the breath. That's the only way you will be able to do it.

?✌ welcome back buddy. Good Lord it didn't take you long to work out your worldly desires.

Understanding duality. Hillarious, isn't it? So much mind in this forum.

I don't want anything. Not the last time I looked anyway

Preetom, let it go. Let everything go and you will discover what it's like to be an enlightened guru like me

Your thoughts trigger thoughts in others. Others thoughts trigger thoughts in you. The way to dissolve your karma is to be aware of thoughts. Not analyze others thoughts but directly observe your own thoughts and let them go. The more you can do this the less karma you create until you completely transcend the ego

I think you have an issue. There was a discussion in full.swing before Kieran decided to hurl verbal abuse. Work on yourself. Yeah? Don't Just put up the pretence of being a loving person while following around others you don't like and asking them to jump to your egoic expectations. Actually do the work. Then people will take you seriously. Currently you just look like a hypocrite.

What's wrong with making a comment that wilber doesn't know what he's talking about? It's not really something to enrage a mentally stable person, is it? Are you always playing the blame game? Every time I get a new troll from you it's about how I managed to piss someone off. What exactly is it in doing that's so offensive to a normal person? (never mind a supposedly conscious group of people)? You think it wasn't warranted to mention that the guy does indeed have a few screws loose after that verbal abuse? You think people should just stand there and take verbal abuse and let the other person gaslight them by denying that they were being hostile? Have YOU got a few screws loose? Because you seem to have some kind of chip on your shoulder and a need to condition me to serve your needs. Sorry, I don't pander to overly sensitive and irrational egos.

@Leo Gura Would you say trungpa was a Zen devil? Because wilber is saying he was an asshole.

Do you have any actual evidence for this or are you just repeating something you read? Yeah, it's all love, but it's shit really. Makes 0 sense

Is ken wilber where you got your Zen devil concept from?