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No, your functioning at the scientific evidence level. And you've stated scientific evidence over and over again. The sage level strongly considers large scale pattern recognition. And you guys are not interested in that. Because that's why you think my epistemology is insane, because I value the patterns Strongly, while you think it's literally crazy. "and the science disproves it" How your current epistemology system works is scientific evidence is placed at a importance of 9 out of 10, and pattern recognition is placed at maybe a one or two out of 10. Can you see how the sage is not doing it this way?

https://claude.site/artifacts/45fce8fd-9047-49cf-8060-84114c7a9e16 Okay I created the ULTIMATE SHEET.

I agree it wasn't my best work. But I think the concept has potential. Because it allows two people to understand each other's epistemology. And I think there's a useful tool here. Maybe I'll make some kind of actualized.org AI integration. So people could go past surface level differences.

Why would this be easy? I have never seen a conversation with vegans that was easy. Also I'm not Leo. I can't distill things easily.

How would you know? You're assuming what I'm saying is crazy because I don't share your epistemology. This is very important. When someone else doesn't share your epistemology, your reactionary mechanisms are to assume it's completely crazy. So the only conversation that we could possibly have is to take the time and understand each other's epistemology. But I already know your epistemology because I inhaled it my whole life. And believed it for a portion of my life. The scientific consensus evidence-based approach has grotesque limits. And most people that are in love with this whole concept have not had the real world experiences of when Theory does not match up with practice. You will only know that science got it wrong after you have direct experience showing you that it actually doesn't work in practice. But at this very moment that will only happen after you experience a health problem on the vegan diet. Even if I showed you thousands of videos of people who failed veganism. It will not be enough, it has to be personal. Until then you will never need to question anything. It's when you're survival is at stake that you're forced to question what you know and how you know it. LFMAOOO 🤣🤣 I genuinely laughed so hard when I read this. Mostly because I get your perspective and it just looks like a super one-sided biased sheet. There's a misunderstanding. There's no point talking about the content. If we talk about any specific point we're just going to go back and forth in an endless loop. Arguing endlessly back and forth going nowhere. That's how every discussion of this kind happens. The only healthy conversation that we can have is about epistemology. Until then we're just going to be talking past each other.

Right that is a great point about decentralization. The point I was making is that whether it's decentralized and deflationary doesn't mean it isn't completely regulated and part of the system of government. And therefore fully corrupted by the system of government. lol the benefits don't exist. It all cancels out.

The devil is in the epistemological details! Ask it what it's epistemology is. This is an assumption. We don't need veganism, we need people to grow up. Vegan ideology is not the same as growing up. When a person can no longer do veganism because of health issues, they go back to eating meat. They do not suffer until death in the name of veganism, they do not sink with the ship. And this problem is real, it is not going to go away, and you're not really listening to me, and neither did chatgpt when you told it to be a genius with that prompt lmao. Individually maximizing the health of each human is a far better strategy at growing people up then following strict veganism to reduce animal suffering which is only one system. When people grow up that will influence every system. The problem with veganism is that it's a very linear approach. It tries to brute force a solution with a direct approach: "everyone stops eating meat = less animal suffering." This is not a systemic approach. Real system change usually requires an indirect approach that works with existing systems, regardless of their ethics. Leo mentioned this before. You can't avoid every unethical part of the system just because you don't like it and try to force everything into an idealist agenda. This strategy doesn't work. Surprisingly a better strategy is the devilry that is happening with Elon Musk. On one part he's providing value on another part he's degrading important systems. But we need this devil, he's the best devil we have. lmao

Genetics. Donald Trump drinks Coke every day and McDonald's every other day and he's the most successful person on planet Earth at 80 years old. Genetics. No, vegan bubble science supports healthy vegan diet. General Vegan View: The general consensus is that it is well within the effortless human means of most people and suitable for most people as long as they do it right. Real World: it is very challenging and requires a very high level of expertise to do veganism correctly over a long period of time. Resulting if done incorrectly to permanent damage from multiple underlying health issues. Better approach: a holistic strategic approach that considers many factors excluding any ideology towards diet, to custom create a diet perfectly suited for that person's genetics, gut microbiome, environment, and using experimentation and reaction, testing and monitoring... and so on. When you ask chatgpt "is this true", you're asking based on its worldview and epistemology to critique my worldview from its position. It would be like saying well from the position of a Nazi critique integrals position. From the position of a vegan critique integral position. From the position of science critique integrals position. You're critiquing one perspective from another. Do you see how truth is completely relative in this situation and that you might not know what you're doing when you use this tool? Chatgpt has a worldview. Chatgpt has default epistemology. Chatgpt represents the status quo of culture. Chatgpt is at a specific level of development. Chatgpt is at a specific level of wisdom and insight. All of these variables can be adjusted and changed depending on how you prompt it to get a different response. Asking it what is true is an incredibly naive approach that fails to see how epistemology works. The core question here is what is my epistemology as a vegan? What is chatgpt's epistemology? What is integrals epistemology? Why are we disagreeing? Why does the world verify and validate all of my beliefs as a vegan? Is my Approach genuinely holistic? --- I broke down the epistemology of the two sides here to show what is going on. This is the invisible thing that needs to be talked about and not the content. @Emerald Right click -> open link in new tab to see it clearly.

@Shane Hanlon A bunch of people here just give you testimonies, YouTube is filled with thousands of testimonies, and the conclusion you are going to come to is. It won't happen to me They did veganism wrong I never felt better The Truth: it's not that simple. --- Ill map out a model of vegan progression, the levels of vegan development.

You've trapped yourself, my entire post was structured in a way for a vegan to understand how they keep themselves in a bubble reinforcing their narratives. The problem with a paradigm is you only truly understand what a paradigm is after you experience it shattering by force. In this situation you need to have severe health problems with veganism despite supplementation and testing. And you need to see your body deteriorate while you do everything "correctly". And then the illusion is shattered permanently. You now can acknowledge and think about veganism with clarity. That it is not as simple as taking supplements, and it is not as simple as asking chatgpt to repeat the vegan narrative through confirmation bias. I could easily ask chatGPT to reinforce everything I said. Like I said it takes until you reach the end of veganism to understand veganism. It can't happen before that for bleeding heart vegans. The outline that I gave was a holistic approach that I feel should be good enough for most vegans to accept. The productive point you can take from it is to get tested and look for physical signs that's something's wrong, to make sure you're not falling fo the most critical vegan trap. As you deteriorate you won't know your deteriorating because of vegan bias.

So the cost of everything keeps going up until it crashes?

When will the next financial reset happen? It looks like the economy is a pyramid scheme we’re the cost of everything keeps going up indefinitely. I guess the last economic reset was World War II?

@FourCrossedWands unfortunately I think this is something that you can only learn through experience and by trial and error. Unfortunately, that means losing money. I’ll try to save you from doing that right now, I want you to go on tradingview website, and open up a bitcoin chart. And then zoom out, so you can see the full chart from the beginning of time This will give you a birds iview of how the market moves over many years. This is the question I want you to ask yourself, when is the right time to buy? Now I want you to open up and compare utter coins and stocks to see how they move overtime. And you will notice that the entire market of cryptocurrency moves according to bitcoin. If bitcoin decides to go down then all the other coins go down with it at the same time. Bitcoin is the leader, and every other coin follows it. Next, I want you to open up regular stocks and compare bitcoin to regular stocks. And you will notice that bitcoin follows the larger economy stock market. And if the entire economy is going down, then bitcoin is going down. Next, I want you to notice how every meme coin has a very large spike and then a very large crash right after, over and over again.

Oh my God, I need to do a full course on this to teach people how cryptocurrency works. bitcoin reached an all-time high yesterday, but somehow it’s dead? 😂

Yes, people go vegan or vegetarian through belief without realizing that they need to first figure out if veganism is suited for them, whether it even works for their genetics. The vegan culture does not explicitly explain that you need vegan genetics to be successful. They’re too busy in a fantasy land, ignoring all the people who fail or gaslighting failures. It is so easy to just say “they did it wrong” It is not true that you could just take a supplement. You need to get tested every 3 to 6 months. To make sure everything is working correctly, and you need to be aware of signs that things are not working early. To avoid damage. The risk is real, changing diet is not a game, malnutrition even for short period causes irreversible damage. But most of the time a vegan is too stuck in the vegan echo chamber so they’re going to prolong that malnutrition for years and years as they try to figure out how to make veganismwork. After all, they read multiple books giving them a great confidence. Sign that things are not working: bags start developing under your eyes, higher emotional instability, teeth grinding at nigh, erratic energy, overly sensitive, poor muscle recovery, premature ageing, you look like a skull, you have lost all the fat on your face but not other parts of your body, thinning of the skin, thinning of the hair, very low iron levels (women). If you’re in the right vegan subculture you’re gonna get some awareness, but it won’t be enough. The right vegan culture is one that doesn’t even promote veganism. It promotes a healthy diet strategically based on a holistic factor that consider someone’s genetics, culture, upbringing, gut microbiome, environment… and so on. The right diet is not ideological. The right diet does not have an agenda attached to it. If you “look like a vegan”, then you gotta get tested right away. The vegan look is a young body with malnutrition. Unfortunately, the body has reserves, and you can deplete yourself for a decade before really noticing it. And most vegans start in their 20s when they have the most youth to burn. Veganism is one of the most challenging diets that takes expertise that don’t exist in these vegan echo chambers. It is very hard to do this diet, correctly. When people understand at a higher level what veganism is, they then realize that it is not as simple as pushing veganism on all of the planet, and then reducing animal slaughter and animal suffering. They then realize the full magnitude of the problem. and that a real solution does not exist yet. That we still haven’t engineered a diet that completely avoids animal products, that works at scale for 8+ billion people. They’re still science to be done. If vegans had their way, they will create one of the worst health crisis in all of human history. Worse than the plague, worse than what pharmaceutical companies have done, worse than the increased cancer rates caused by every pollutant on earth. It would be catastrophic.

Bitcoin just reached an all-time high. It is not time to put your money in the market..

Pretty insane.

Its just so good,.

If veganism was viable, we would already have been doing this for thousands of years. It’s one of the first things they would’ve figured out a long with fire. You guys think all of human history was just a bunch of stupid apes slapping rocks into their genitals.

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Veganism is understood at the end of veganism not at the beginning

@Twentyfirst what did I just watch? 😂 “if scrolling was a person.”

@FourCrossedWands I've studied this for many years, I could probably help out here if you have any questions? Or use AI.

@LordFall Everything you make in cryptocurrency you have to pay capital gains tax. In places like Canada the taxation is over 50% and United States is up to 25% exactly like stocks. That means if I make 10,000 on the Donald Trump coin I have to pay the Canadian government 50% taxes. All of this is still regulated by the government. This isn't the Wild Wild West. It's true that you can purchase cryptocurrency illegally untraceably. Without using your own credit card, and then store it separately in a hardware wallet or on a decentralized Exchange. It is illegal to not declare your crypto purchases, and this is true for nearly every government. If you do make illegal purchases and hide it from the government ,At any point if you want to do anything serious with that money like buy a house or a car this raises red flags and they're going to ask you where you got that money. if anyone finds out you have that money you are going to get audited. None of this stuff is outside government control and regulation. Governments have done this for a number of reasons, one is to protect people and to protect their economy because if everyone just starts buying unregulated crypto they will siphon out money from the economy. This is what no one understands when money moves out of the economy into crypto everyone else is getting poor. That means the average person who has no idea what's going on is just going to get poorer and poorer and poorer and there cost the living will keep going up and up and up. The idealist fantasy that everyone thinks is happening here is that the government is going to be forced to adopt a globalized decentralized deflationary cryptocurrency. But at no point does a government ever have to do that. If you want to compare gold to crypto. Gold is not some magical thing you could buy without any regulation? There is basically no difference between gold and crypto and all the same regulatory processes are taking place. Yes you could illegally buy Bitcoin outside of the watch of the government, and then you would need to literally launder it back into the system or do very small purchases that are untraceable or convert that to cash through some roundabout way. All of this extremely illegal. Everywhere around the world. I don't see a single situation where the government is not regulating all of this. If there's some AI economy where AI runs in some decentralized system, then computers need to power all of that, and anyone running those computers needs to get paid, and all of that income is regulated by the government.

@Thought Art a rug pull did not happen doe. A rug pull is 99.9% drop, people are not using this word correctly. The Trump coin dropped 50% because of normal fluctuation of the markets. It went up 90% before going back down 50%, this is normal for something so unstable.