Actualizer777

Hello, I have a very important question that aims to clarify a misunderstanding I have. I watched Leo's video "New Kind Of Awakening: Infinity Of Gods". There he talks about the fact that solipsism is always true on an absolute level. There is always just one consciousness, one infinity. All is one. That is absolute solipsism. I agree with that and I understand this. But I also watched his video on Solipsism and I saw this forum thread: Leo uses very clear language here to suggest metaphysical solipsism on a subjective relative level as well, which contradicts what he says in his newer video about infinity of gods. So my question is: While understanding that fundamentally there is only the I or God or Infinity and every "other" is imagined, are these other imaginations happening in the same way that my Avatar is being imagined right now? So is the Avatar of my mother imagined in the same way that my Avatar is imagined from a first person perspective? On a relative illusory level at least? Because in the thread Leo clearly says NO only the limited experience right in front of this Avatar's eyes is all that exists. Which contradicts the infinity of gods.

@UnbornTao But Leo is not any random dude on the internet. People say all sorts of nonsense. But for me Leo was a mentor for so long. Him saying it seems so personal to me. And I don't understand why he would tell me that his perspective does not exist in the same way my perspective exists. Because he is only a figment of my imagination.

@Princess Arabia I meant that it was not a "threat". But if this is the only perspective there is in reality, I don't want to live anymore.

@ivankiss But why does he not say it in a way where I cannot interpret it like this. It seems like he actively wants to communicate the idea of relative solipsism. Otherwise he could say: "Other people have the same illusion of identity and subjectivity as you but all of it is imagined by the real YOU". Instead he says only my perspective exists. Only what is in front of me right now.

@UnbornTao Can you explain in any context why he would be saying things like in this one thread? In his video about infinity of gods everything makes much more sense.

@Princess Arabia I am not "threatening" suicide. It just overwhelms me. Leo was such an important figure in my life. For so long. He is neither stupid nor delusional. When he tells me he does not experience a subjective experience the way I do, I just freak out.

@UnbornTao I cannot ignore it. It eats me up. Maybe it is hard for you to relate but I am paralyzed because of this. Why is he denying his subjective experience telling me that only I have one?

@ivankiss But it's not even that. Leo in some threads claims that he doesn't have his own subjective experience. How does this make sense. Leo says he is an imagination of myself that I use to wake myself up. This sounds to me like Actualizer777 (me) is real and the only perspective there is.

@UnbornTao I know but when Leo claims "You are typing a message to yourself because you are asleep and seeking to awaken." I just want to kill myself. This does not sound like absolute solipsism. This sounds like relative solipsism. Not that I am not real and Leo is not real. It sounds like only I (Actualizer777) am real.

@An young being But it doesn't sound like that. Look at Leo's first response in this post: User asks: So are other people also having an experience of life the way I am? Leo says: No. You imagine that. Your consciousness is absolute. And later on: You are typing a message to yourself because you are asleep and seeking to awaken. As if Leo doesn't have a relative perspective the way I (Actualizer777) have one.

@An young being That is all I want to know right now. Not if in the absolute view they are all one and there is only me. Just from the relative, dream perspective.

@ivankiss But why do so many people here, including Leo, say the opposite. That other perspectives do not exist but mine does. And it is all there is.

@Yimpa I still don't understand. This is so painful. I don't know how long I can take this. Is there any perspective but this limited one right now?

@ivankiss I just want to know that there are other viewpoints than this one right now as well. I am throwing up and crying. I cannot take it.

@UnbornTao You don't understand. I am throwing up because of this. I can't take it. I cannot follow this path like this.

@Someone here How is it not true. The person literally asks if his mom has a similar experience as he has. And Leo says no. This to me does not sound like absolute solipsism but like saying that this one limited character's perspective is all there is.

@ivankiss So this does mean that all of this is an imagination in the mind of god (in MY mind) but at the same time God (or I) subdivides itself into seemingly separate identities? Meaning that I am my Mom and my Mom is me. I am you and you are me. But in the same way that this avatar seems to have it's own perspective, my mom's avatar and yours are having seemingly separate perspectives?

@Yimpa Please can you help me out of this? I cannot take it anymore.

@ivankiss Ok but the question is whether there only exist the thoughts of my (Actualizer777) avatar or if similar thoughts exist for you (ivankiss). I am not talking about the metaphysical understanding of this. If all of this is fake or imagined. I just want to know if my mom, Leo, you etc. exist at least in the same fake way that this avatar right here (Actualizer777) exists.

@Someone here It is not possible right now for me and it is driving me crazy. I would love to follow the path to awakening but this misinterpretation pushes me away from it. It leads me to wanting to end my life. But Leo himself said that if his teachings are causing depression or nihilism, one is misunderstanding them. And I just want to know if I am misunderstanding solipsism to be about my ego. I don't have issues with absolute solipsism. Everything being god and all of us not really existing but existing as partitions and simultaneous dreams of god. But in this one thread it doesn't sound like that. It sounds like he is saying I am the only partition. Nobody else is a partition but just images in my limited perspective.

@Yimpa I don't understand your answer. See, the problem is I am really struggling with this. I am not well mentally because of this. I appreciate the fact that this is hard to articulate but I would love to hear an answer that my limited perspective can somewhat understand. I am extremely depressed and suicidal because of this idea of relative solipsism. So I just want to know if Leo means absolute solipsism as in "there is no SELF but YOU" on a high level or if he literally means that this avatar right now is the ONLY first person hallucination or imagination of GOD. Or if my mom, Leo, you etc. are all also a first person hallucination of GOD that this particular avatar right now is oblivious to.

@Squeekytoy I don't want proof for anything here. I just want to know how Leo's statements are not contradicting.

@Someone here Of course. I just want clarification as to why Leo said one thing in this thread and another thing in the infinity of gods video.

@Someone here Yes but this is exactly what my question is. I have this same experience in this point of view. And Leo's infinity of gods video would be inline with there being multiple such experiences, even though when viewed from an absolute higher consciousness level they are all one and illusions. But in this thread and in the solipsism video he literally says that there is only one limited ego perspective, which would even contradict infinity. Infinity, since it is infinite, would include infinitely many subjective points of view, at least on a relative level.

@Someone here But in this threads he answers the questions as if he himself doesn't even have a conscious experience. Even on the relative level. He communicates to the person reading this that there is just this limited perspective. He explicitly states that it's not from the absolute view but from the ego view. That's what doesn't make sense to me. And I would like to know how this does not contradict the infinite gods insight, where there is a sovereign god behind every person even though it is all one.