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At the end it means we humans have absolutely no control, it is always in our subconscious that everything is being done every single act, even when I itch my nose (ridiculous example but it is in order to reassure what I mean) it is an act of super highly conscious intelligent act. At the end I could not have not itched my nose, itching my nose was the only thing possible in that moment because God (my subconscious) wanted it. Another example, I just walk down the street get hit by a car and then will be disabled in some form, this is gods will, could it in any way have happened that I had not been hit by the car? Or does gods will mean that it had to happen. Thats where I am asking, is there no single tiny bit of free will that the human has? Kind of like. Human automony as god incarnate and free. Ramana Maharashi said that everything into the little details is predetermined, which is something I could read here, is not so embraced on the forum. Not Ramana but the predetermination. Ramana, having read about his life, pretty soon came to know that this reality does not exist and that there is no doer, and he advicated self inquiry as the way to go to find out

I am sorry for these questions but some things get me intriguing In how God's creation and therefore every act committed on earth works. I am wanting to know if people that turn to crime, be it rape, robbery or corrupt politicians, is this all gods will and gods intelligence that wants it like this or is it just the human being that lost its connection towards god or towards its own spirit and now his ego is acting without gods control? If someone goes rape another person, is this a divine intelligent move or just stupid lost human evil. When the farmers in Brazil torched thousands of hectars of precious Amazon rainforest and therefore worsened global warming killed immense amount of wildlife and indigenous territory, was this the highest of divine intelligence or was it human beings that have not come into contact yet with their divine essence and therefore committed crimes

What means nothing is random? Does it mean every single step we do is highly intelligent design to maximize love, even if we are not directly experiencing it as intelligent? If absolute infinity and absolute love and god is everything wouldnt then no matter what happens be highly inteligent even if it was random? Or is it a special intelligent unfolding that our higher self knows its intelligent but iur ego does not realize its intelligence? How could unfolding of reality not be intelligent if everything is the sun total of infinite intelligence? Can god also create a non random reality, what is the difference? Is not random much deeper and more intelligent then justyfying everything being divine? Its not random in order for consciousness to maximize love but what does maximizing love mean, does it mean add more love towards infinity? And how could we even perceive or realize that things are not random, things are only not random if they lead somewhere in this case, but where is it leading not randomly? maximizing love? , but what is maixmizing love and how can we become conscious of its non random mechanism. Does maximizing love mean god/I partake in certain life missions and emotional experiences that "seem" to oppose divine love or any sensation which is not divine love by experiencing the opposite through survival and ego filters, love is infinitely maximized?

@Serotoninluv so if in our current reality nothing happens out of confidence and it is a great story God is writing in order to maximize love. How can I as god not be completely conscious of the highly complex, not random and highly conscious nd intelligent unfolding of this reality? Does awakening help in cocreating this story and understanding and foreseeing of its non-random unfolding, or does the godhead ultimately work in the background? In the end if we are, should we not at some point after awakening know about the non random unfolding or our own reality and know all about it and its complexity? I suppose the answer that gods intelligence and complexity cannot be described in human words is a good one, but doesn't that imply that we the godhead is not itself immersed in this reality but works as the non dual pure consciousness in the background?

Let me define it differebtly. I said cause and effect appears in case that our life and story is happening coincidentally . That means everything that happens, happens due to immediate events and situations before that caused it. No councidences would mean that maybe it is not only due to cause and effect but a deliberately intelligent unfolding of events, situations and happenings. I am asking it because I saw on two occasions Leo saying that nothing is random and there are no coincidences and the goal of a not random creation is maximizing divine love. Naturally I became curious of how this mechanism unfolds and what maximizing love means. And how I as God could possibly be conscious of this mysterious unfolding, because finally I am god but it still is mysterious or do the enlightened ones know better?

Random as in spontaneous unfolding only due to cause and effect. Or be it mere coincidences and that everything could also have happened in an entirely different way in this "physical lifetime" if only other choices had been taken. Not random means no coincidences the story of this lifetime is being writte/told/experienced by god with a highly intelligent unfolding in a complex and mysterious way that doesnt make sense to the regular eye but which has a deep goal (other than being) and a deep purpose, which could be maximizing the love of the divine, but not in a random, coincidental only being, but in highly complex and intelligent physical world unfolding story

Not random also means, having encountered this Forum here without any Spiritual Background and then through Reading started and attained the path of enlightenment. Was it a coincidence or Part of the highest of intelligent steps. Or for example, some Family Member of Yours has a Heart Attack and no matter what you do you cannot get her into Hospital, First the telephoneline cuts, then you Encounter Your car is broken. Then When finally found a phone the Ambulance gets stuck in traffic. Or you take a psychedelic and instead of enlightenment you become mentally ill. Could it gave even in any way other than it happened or was the way it happened the only way imaginable for God on planet earth 2019 Many other examples also where we constant ask ourselves was this here coincidence or was it a planned step of the highest intelligence?

@Serotoninluv Amazing. Out of curiosity what is the use of Ayahuasca then if the cactus gives you a transcendental experience without existential terror and only transmits you the love that you are. I like Ayahuasca and find it a highly divine medicine, but it is very hard and relentless though. Do you find the teachings different do they have different messages to convey? I know Aya opens the third eye and I think the cactus works on the heart chakra

What are important differences between these two psychedelics? Do they both lead the way to enlightenment? After regular usage at least? Are they transcendental and ego dissvoling and therefore lift the veil of reality and maybe even experience no self? Which one will ultimately show the notion of oneness? And which one has more of a healing and teacher aspect to it?

Random I mean that things Happen without coincidence. You having an awakening experience for example, was it a spontaneous coincidence that also could have not happened to you? World war 1 and 2 was it a coincidence or was it Something important for the people to go through certain emotional responses or even as a base ground for future events. You meeting certain people in life, is it random or is it necessary for your particular story? Or could you have met other people too and it wouldn't have made a difference Many things I would say explain randomness and not randomness. It is still very tricky and mysterious even if things are not random and there is a great great novel and storytelling in this Physical world which is incredible , on what base is it incredible then? On the base that god is trying to find out how much he can delude himself or even go to the edge of desperation just to find out that it was an illusion or is there more depth and importance to it. Its funny how I ask these things, because I am basically god asking what my mystery is about. But how do I or you even create this story? Merely by physical action, where do the instructions come from in order to write a non random highly intelligent story? Is the god me an omnipotent awoken god that gives mr and my story highly intelligent instructions moment by moment or is he/am I not awoken yet and the story gets created not really highly intelligent but rather unconscious? If nothing is random and it is highly intelligent and I am god how can I not foresee the mechanism of the story unfolding and look into it and maybe even find out something about the future?

I remember Ayahuasca can give the experiencer existential terror, does this happen with the cactus too?

Doesn't the fact of infinite co authors and infinite possibilities not make the totality both random and not random? Infinite possibilities means everything possible, so random and not random collapse in it, but actually it would be more random, because anything is possible created by infinite cocreators. Not random would imply that certain things are possible in a certain path so there are no concidences and all is written in a script not independently created by cocreators that do things randomly as they want In infinity both would be true, but in this limited perspective rather the random one unless there is something that "shall" happen

@Leo Gura i imagine it is big and epic. But intellectually speaking, if it is the total of all stories that could possibly be told then everything would be random and not random at the same time, because what would not random even mean if all possibilities could happen and do actually happen (in parallel realities I suppose) ?

But if it is infinite couldnt infinite things happen and it would still not be random? Or is everything how it should be and how god wanted it and it could not be otherwise? For example, if hitler was still ruling over Germany, would we still say it was not random, as anything could happen and anything is not random, or is it not even possible by gods will that Hitler lasted more than his 12 years in power? Could if things went differently we still say it is not random and the other way would be intelligent too or could things not even have gone differently and there is only one correct non random path

How can I imagine a mescaline trip? If it is a particular strong grounding psychedelic does it mean it is more ego enhancing and not ego transcending?

Does this mean even if we do not exist we have free will? Is the freedom we have over our lives the same as free will? Would this mean we actually have control, even if we arent real? And I mean autonomous independent control over our lives

Interesting, But if God /we/I/you imagine everything in a super intelligent precise and not random way, how can God /we not have a precise or certain plan then?

This is what confused me particularly about. If nothing is random, is there a divine plan with certain eras of collective consciousness and humanity and preplanned future events and happenings? How can I as God or you as that we are God not be consciously aware that we are doing something super inteligent? I mean even after awakening how can we consciously actually see what it is that we are doing super intelligently other than only being, when you say nothing is random and our consciousness is doing something super intelligent (which implies other than being there is some divine plan, destiny, future) . Realizing it is one thing but being god should mean actually knowing what it is and consciously foreseeing every single step of it. Id be happy to know more opinions about this, which seems so paradoxical, being god but not actually knowing how the story evolves not randomly but intelligently, for me sounds like something just happens in the background and even with our awakening we cannot know how it works although we are it.

Enlightenment I mean realizing no self, no doership and that everything and everyone is one. Do you like to describe the difference between the two?

I am seriously intending it. I have two experiences with ayahuasca that were very helpful and incredible, but what I found is that it was very strong and difficult at times, and now I am looking to see the differences about them. I suppose the cactuses could teach more as they are less difficult and last longer. As these plants occur in different regions in South America where one can experience it with knowledgeable and experienced natives. I'd like to know essentially the particular questions above especially if these psychedelics lead towards enlightenment or ego transcendence/dissolution.

Are you sure that killing and destruction are in any form justified? Even a fly is an important perspective of the creation and by definition part of yourself, by killing a fly you would only show your disdain for creation, at least I supposed so until now, if proven wrong I still won't ever kill a fly, but would be interesting to hear more opinions about if that is still divine love

Is Survival Not only another state of being part of the absolute truth? Can you imagine of formed lifeforms that have a higher consciousness, incorporate thus more naturally and spontaneously unconditional love and constantly have a sense and feeling of interconnectedness? My imagination tells me that our human life and survival mechanisms are a very extreme case of separateness in the absolute truth, i have a feeling of experiencing more "loving, and connected" forms of separateness after ascending from this life

Why is Love so elusive in day to day Life and only reveals itself through Psychedelics?

Aside from being which is the ultimately reality in which absolute reality must contain all realities and all truths, which Leo said very funnily, everything must is or be. What is the actual mission of each particular life? What is gods will in experiencing, and how does he experience from moment to moment, other than issing (lol) is there more to its will? Does being a human, a biological organism with high intelligence, pride, greed and so forth have valuable lessons for god to learn? I have a strong feeling that we/god are learning something, be it how to live in community, how to respect others, how to communicate, laugh, create cars, houses and so on, there is more to the human than issing and I think god himself goes through valuable lessons, even if he is all and everything already, we need to make these experiences in order for the power of the light and love itself evolve more into infinity, therefore we must feel how it is to be separate from our essence. Surely people that havent awoken are very disconnected of their essence., without prejudice but I see it in myself. Unconscious living is the ultimate experience, we pretend to be something else and take it very seriously and go through valuable life lessons that make us even go lost sometimes. Only through expanding our consciousness we learn how to correct errors and learn from difficult moments of the past and evolve into a more decent human that works and lives more according to the light of gods love. How can gods will be described beyond letting everything just be, which is of course the ultimate truth, but maybe there is more to it also

Why is it that some don't enjoy it and keep problems afterwards?