VeganAwake

Yes 'YOU' is just a thought along with the true self! ❤ There is no relationship because there's no real separation

@Surfingthewave ❤

Well the message would be there isn't one ❤

But you're assuming: "I'm meeeeee, i'm real!" needs a witness. There's no witness The witness is illusory.. There's no daddy that has your back!!

From a relative perspective it's an endless game of catch and release. From an absolute perspective there was nothing that needed to be caught in the first place! But catching and releasing and not fishing are all the same thing ❤

Either way it doesn't matter that's the beauty of it ❤ Are you getting this

There's nobody behind the steering wheel... When that's recognized it's like oh s*** ❤

Glamorizing the prison cell is what that's often referred to in spiritual circles! And often mistaken as Awakening! The question makes no sense from an enlightened perspective because enlightenment is the disintegration of the 'YOU' that believes in relativity and thinks it's going to gain something from enlightenment. ❤

It's real and unreal! Real in the sense that you can meet somebody at a certain man-made clock time. Unreal in the sense that ultimately time is a man-made concept. A way to differentiate. And there's nothing right or wrong with that it's just what's happening!

Look out everyone the MU police is coming through... so scary Joking ❤

Nice ? What a trip right, the most important thing in the world(ME) ends up being an illusion!! What a show what a show bravo bravo ? But there's no one that knows that and it's not right or wrong ?

Yes and the grace for the entire situation comes from understanding that nobody really had a choice. Like Leo says "Awareness alone is Curative." We are born into a conditioned Society and essentially molded to fit and for survival purposes. The idea that there is something wrong with this is also a form of conditioning. There's nothing really right or wrong with anything just a thought about it. In one part of the world a certain behavior may be encouraged... and in another part it may be discouraged... it's just a big game. The beginning of Liberation can feel like you're more trapped than ever. Keep looking into this and exploring who feels like they're trapped. ❤

The desire not to desire? If desire occurs that's what's happening simple as that. Maybe the idea that it's causing "a someone" to suffer is the real issue. ❤

It's fair game after Awakening.. anything can occur. Typically a lot of rigidness of life is loosened up or let go of. There can still seem to be a conditioned character that may prefer coffee over tea, it's the inner peace and satisfaction which is key ❤

The Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it. ~ Gospel of Thomas

Reminded me of this ❤

You can't get outside of Everything to point at it. & The individual within the body that experiences "I am here" and everything else is out there, is an ILLUSION ❤ Duality is a word that points to something that never actually occurred...

Well the sense of self is experience...so it can't fathom non-experience the same way it can't grasp unknowing. ❤

Yes ? The biggest problem for the sense of self is death. It can't comprehend its own unreality ❤

It's just in my experience when I was sedated a couple times for surgery, it was just nothingness or total unawareness / unconsciousness. It can even be described because it's soooo nothing.

"The greatest obstacle to Discovery is not ignorance- it's the illusion of knowledge"

Fighting illusion perpetuates the belief that it's real... Like endlessly running towards mirages of water in the desert

But If someone picks up a rock without you being conscious of it and nails you in the back of the leg you'll become conscious quick that there was a hard piece of matter otherwise known as a rock that apparently exists.

Well then that would be what's happening. It's whole complete and perfect ❤