VeganAwake

Its only the conditioned mind/ego, which believes there is something to be achieved or understood. It's convinced that liberation is in the future. It never stops trying to attain it. It only stops when it believes that stopping, will increase its chances of getting it (which isn't actually stopping). The search is completely futile and ridiculous. Liberation is not a physical object or a better state of mind to reach. It's not an understanding or attainment for an individual. It's 100% out of reach for the seeker because it's the revelation that the seeker and the sought do not exist in reality. Nothing is attained except the revelation that the very one seeking, is an illusion of self. ❤️

That is exactly the illusion being discussed! Illusions don't want to go bye 😫

That's awesome but it doesn't mean anything brother! ❤️ Wisdom, Love, Knowing, Between. Those are just conditioned concepts stemming from the unfounded beliefs that; wisdom is knowledge, love is everything...etc These are all just ego traps brother.....look and see!!....look closely! Those so-called spiritual masters were just beacons of spiritual ego! ❤️

There isn't a real "yourself" The illusion of yourself is that which hides what is already perfection. Yourself is the apparent issue because it attempts to control its so-called life through its conditioned biases......good vs bad or positive vs negative. The very attempt to enjoy every moment, is itself the prison! ❤️

This body was taught and memorized how to write. There was no "me" that chose to do that, it just happened. The entity that proclaims "my body learned to write," is the self illusion. That body over there can certainly say there is no sun/gravity and that it is everything. But that is the self illusion that's being pointed out as completely unreal. There is no "you" to be everything. It just seems like there is. That's the big cosmic joke. ❤️

That experience takes place through the conditioned illusion of self. 😳 So is there even real experience? 🤔 ❤️

As for the so-called eternal consciousness, that experience is just the bodily sensations(sight, sound, smell, taste) coupled with a spiritually conditioned imagination. When that body dies, so will the concepts of so-called eternal consciousness held there. There is nothing eternal or permanent. No need to call nothingness eternal because it already never existed.....it's not eternal or temporary....it simply never was! ❤️

You can call reality whatever you want, it doesn't change anything. The body still can't walk through a brick wall or defy the laws of gravity by calling everything an illusion/you. There isn't a me or a you in which could even identify as body/mind......that's the illusion we're discussing 🤔 The you that thinks there is a path with a beginning and end, is the illusion of self....the knower there, is the illusion brother! ❤️

It's not advisable

Gotcha, Yep, I've heard that name. 🫶 It's a desperate attempt by an illusion, to get what it believes is missing. But nothing is missing, Its only an illusions misunderstanding! ❤️

The acceptance of the fear "is in a sense" the letting go! Tracing the fear back to its roots and being understanding of it, certainly seems to be a winner winner chicken dinner 😅 ❤️

How could "what is" be explained? It's completely unfathomable. It's everything and simultaneously nothing. And there's nothing else to compare it with, because it's already everything and nothing. The very entity that claims "I am the human self" or "I am that", is the same self illusion....it just seems different! ❤️

Maybe, seems like it's either recognized or its not. This question implies that there is a real "you" that could benefit from "seeing" this. What's being said is there isn't a "you" The "you" that wants to see this, is the illusion of self! ❤️

It's nothing because its the end of the self construct that wasn't actually there to begin with. Enlightenment is liberation from the needy self illusion basically.....but nobody becomes liberated. It's not a state or a better position for a you. It's the revelation that there never was a you. ❤️

Yup, & there's not even a we that "adds it".....it just seems to happen. Nothing happens in the sense that there isn't a real individual for something to even happen for....it's an illusion of self awareness. There's not even anyone to ....Be That 😳 ❤️

@Bruins8000 Yeah man, Its completely random and meaningless. There are no goals or end results needed. Thats the unconditional freedom.....but I understand how that can feel disappointing.....notice its only disappointing for someone expecting meaning or purpose though! Expectations are human creations!

Well, Nobody is directing or making things happen. There are just apparent happenings, and then the self illusions either declare them as good or bad according to there illusory conditioned perspective. There is no higher dictator, and there isn't real perfection or imperfection.....those are just human conditioned concepts! One person's perfection could be another's nightmare! ❤️

“The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge” - Daniel J. Boorstin

There isn't an "I" already, in which could identify as the human self or ego. There isn't a true self or a higher self period.....that's the illusion.....that's the misunderstanding or cosmic joke! Nirvana, samadhi, no self, enlightenment, liberation are all words pointing to this same recognition! It isn't a better state for anyone because it's literally the revelation that there never was a someone and there never was a better state. It's the end of states or separation but for nobody 😬 ❤️

Its impossible to grasp that which has no beginning and no end. Grasping is a mortal organisms misunderstanding! The cosmic joke. ❤️

Who is waking up and attempting to integrate this so-called spiritual knowledge? Where exactly is this character? Is it the body? Is it in the body? Can it be found? Nobody awakens, because it's realized that the very individual attempting to become enlightened, is an illusion 😳 ❤️

Carefully watch the mind attempting to know/understand everything. It wants to survive. It wants to know. For the mind, knowing is/was a major survival advantage It evolved needing to know things. Nowadays everything needed for basic survival, is already provided by, family, friends, government...etc The mind can't know it's way to not knowing or not giving a fuck..... When this is seen clearly, it will calm it's needy ass down drastically 🤣 Until then, it just goes around in circles attempting to label and know everything. See it for what it is. It's not positive or negative.......it's just what it is! ❤️

@Spiritual Warfare Sounds like your convinced that understanding reality would be the end of suffering. Reality is completely unknowable and infinite. How could anyone possibly understand that which has no beginning or end....unfathomable! You could live 100,000 lives attempting to know reality, and you still would be completely stumped....trust! There is no hope, no use, no value in understanding. But obviously the mind is very stubborn hehe. Even if there was a deep understanding, your still going to die like you mentioned! Maybe not giving a fuck is the freedom you seek brother? ❤️

The overthinking mind really isn't complex. It's just a reaction to a reaction to a reaction....its main theme is survival. It can be called energy if you like! All the seemingly complex differences are just stories concocted from itself. It's been conditioned since birth and is extremely bias.....definitely not trust worthy lol.....but hey, what can be done about that? ❤️

Hehe correct.... don't underestimate though...... It will rest, get back up and continue running in circles 😉....darn illusions lol ❤️