VeganAwake

It doesn't matter what its called. You can name a volleyball wilson or call a dog a chicken. Enlightenment is the end of concepts about what THIS is....its the end of conceptualizing reality as this, that or the other. Its the end of placing illusory concepts over top of reality and operating from that perspective. And its an inner recognition rather than a direct experience. Freedom for no one ❤

Love that ? And the so-called collapse is the recognition that there was never anything separate to begin with.....its an un-happening sort of speak. Freedom is the end of concepts. ❤

Yeah man, It can't be done right or wrong. It literally cannot be done correct or incorrect..... because those are just conditioned concepts of the dream story. So in that sense there's nothing to say or not to say/do or not to do. It's that free.... and totally unexpected!!

Notice the 'sense of self' always needs an identity.(oh I'm not the small self so 'I' must be everything) There is no separation, but not because 'you' are everything... it's because there was never a 'you' to be separate in the first place. You or duality are words pointing to an experience that seems real but is ultimately lacking in reality(hence why it's called an illusion) This communication is hopeless and not logical by any means. The more it's sought after, the more it subtly suggests/reinforces the idea that there is an individual that can one day(with enough diligent practice of course) understand IT and put 'itself' in a better position in the future(hamster wheel effect) But THIS is already Liberation because the individual with all of its needs to know(feels like straight jacket) was never real to begin with. ❤

Neither! The dreamer and that which is aware, is the same dream story character. That's why reality is referred to as an illusion. The experiencer is recognized to have never been. ❤

Reminds me of a book: "The disappearance of the universe"

It's perfect and ego hates it because it denies its reality. ❤

It appears there are some characters who enjoy or tolerate attempting to describe the indescribable and others who don't care too so much. When this character is deeply observed it's recognized to be nothing more than a bundle of conditioning. So these illusory characters run around in the dream story casting meaning purpose and value over top of apparent reality attempting to find something that makes them not feel separate any longer. But the separation never occurred because the individual was never real. " the separation never occurred" - acim

@WaveInTheOcean ❤

Go for it....why not ❤

But what if the concept of anything being right or wrong is clearly recognized to be nothing other than societal conditioning nonsense?

Exactly, Ego tries to rid itself of itself attempting to put itself in a better position....It's hopeless!! This recognition being pointed to is void of position, hope, meaning, purpose and value. Meaningless Position-less hopeless freedom for no one.

Watch 6:15 - 8:10

It's unknowable and it's left at that when the illusion of the knower is seen through clearly. Ego = identity, so it will always identify itself as SOMETHING whether that be God, Higher Self, Pure Consciousness, The Self or what have you. It cannot fathom its own unreality because its biggest problem is death. It simply cannot grasp that it's already unreal. Best wishes my friend... Fair Winds and following Seas ❤

The sense of self or ego has a fantasy dream story about what Enlightenment would be like, so it chases that concept endlessly, there is no end because it has to constantly seek to keep itself intact (hamster wheel effect). The end of seeking is the recognition that the sense of self/ego along with all its stories, beliefs, concepts and fantasies were completely unreal. The rug is pulled out beneath its feet sort of speak. It's scale of certainty goes from Probable to Unlikely to Illusory and begins to collapse/ disappear under any deep investigation. ❤

I get it... There's a ton of what seems to be conflicting information out there. Stop obsessively thinking about it. LOOK and ? for yourself. What is this ME? What does it consist of?

Now that's "my" kind of language...? ❤

@Forestluv Really like what? can you explain them?

But it's only more conditioning that believes there is something wrong with your particular minds conditioning. There is no right or wrong way to be because only a conditioned thought would say otherwise. This is freedom from belief and Concepts and conditioning. Some body minds have lots of friends others don't, some get irritated easily others are very patient. You are identifying with that particular body Minds conditioning and taking it to heart. Are you getting a peek at the freedom that's being pointed to? ❤

Exactly bro, It doesn't really drop because it wasn't real in the first place, it was an illusion.

@WaveInTheOcean it doesn't matter whether you believe you are God or not, it doesn't affect reality in any way. If that body runs into a mama bear with a cub, it will kill or maul that body. If that body runs face-first into a tree it may be knocked unconscious. If you jump off a cliff that body will Splat on the Rocks below.

Maybe It seems difficult because there is a belief that the individual has to recognize THIS. But when the individual gets out of the way or collapses, there's just clear seeing. And this doesn't mean all the questions get answered. It reveals the seeker or the questioner with all of its conditioned beliefs and concepts, was never real. ❤ Nothing actually needs to happen because it's already that way, it just needs to be seen clearly (hence the term Awakening)