VeganAwake

There is no one left regardless of how much the ME wants there to be... there's no one there now And it can't really be put into words. And until it's seen directly, it will just be the sense of ME believing it intellectually understands this message. ❤

Yes, thoughts still arise after enlightenment, the difference is there is no longer a ME claiming ownership of them. "Phenomena are not objectively existent and are only established as existing through subjective destinations and thoughts.... in short, it is said that though there is no phenomenon that is not posited by the mind, whatever the mind posited is not necessarily existent ....if we become familiar with this, the objects viewed --self, other, and so forth-- appear as illusion-like or dream-like falsities, which although not inherently existent, appear to be so" - Dalai Lama

There's been a lot of questions about what Awakening feels like. This video was very accurate in the description, but every experience is a little different ❤

It wasn't directed towards anyone, it was a blanket statement for the entire thread. Yeah you got it though ?.... it doesn't matter in any way at all. ❤

It's freedom from the socially conditioned mind. But that doesn't make it special. In fact it's so easy and ordinary that it's constantly overlooked. ❤

Enlightenment is not an achievement though...it's the loss of that which believed it needed to find or achieve something. ❤

Yes exactly, it appears different at night, different creatures come out to play that didn't during the day... but it's all just happening. Non-dual awareness isn't really about metaphorically smashing everything together because there are apparent differences between birds and bats or dogs and cats. The experience of duality is a condition of the human mind. For no apparent reason whatsoever the mind has become an entity unto itself creating an unsatisfactory experience of separation. Non-dual awareness is the recognition that the separate individual within the body was never real. This recognition then spills over to the rest of humanity thus revealing the cosmic joke. Everyone is running around in the rat race looking for external means to make them feel whole and complete, whether it's in materialism or spiritual materialism. No one ever stops to question the validity of the separate individual with all of its needs and wants. They just run on assumptions that they are separate and need to find a better experience in the future. ❤

The prison is the illusory individual. Watch from 15:12 to 17:15 ❤

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Any emotion can arise but it's no longer experienced as 'MY' emotions. The self-centered experiencer is no longer there to judge emotions as being better or worse than others. Its the personal made impersonal which includes the recognition that the personal was an unreal experience. Its freedom from the need for anything to be other than what it is. ❤

There is nothing that's right or wrong. Only a conditioned thought would say otherwise. Whichever apparent path is taken, is exactly what's happening. There is no ultimate goal for anything, so there is no real right or wrong path. ❤

Note: The conditioned mind will twist and distort the stories it hears about what Awakening or Liberation actually is to meet its grandiose beliefs of what it wants it to be like. Hence the importance of completely emptying out the glass.(it's not really important but pertaining to Enlightenment it's absolutely necessary). "The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it's the illusion of knowledge" Simply put: believing you already know or have the answer to something obscures the realization from being recognized. Same as "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows" ❤

Gotcha...Its not anyone's fault and you have no control over the conditioning, it just happens. For example: a woman that was raised to always keep her face and body covered in public, may have a difficult time breaking out of that conditioning, even if she changed religions and moved to a different part of the world. It is fair game after Awakening and there is nothing that's definite. When the identification as this illusory character in the body is recognized to be bogus and starts collapsing, a lot of the values, motivators, life goals, concepts and beliefs often collapse along with it. A weird aspect of awakening is that there can still be this heavily conditioned character that ultimately recognizes its own unreality but continues to play out the apparent negative conditioned patterns... I call this "dabbling back in duality" and it's been called "The Divine Game of Lila" Liberation is the end of the belief in behavior being right or wrong... Its complete freedom from all socially conditioned concepts like that, and it's not what is expected. ❤

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I get what you're saying! What I was attempting to point to is that until this illusory self collapses( collapse meaning: the direct recognition that it never existed) there will always be a search for knowledge and truth to put the illusory self in a better position. I call it the hamster wheel effect ❤

Hi, It's actually the opposite. Clarity comes from the dropping of all the conditioned concepts and ideas gathered such as fear=bad; fearlessness=good. ❤

Its the non-position or non-condition prior to conditioning. It's not somewhere else. Unknowing ❤

Exactly, hanging around on a forum and being apparently steeped in what is expressed, are both meaningless and do not matter at all. The only thing that would say otherwise is a conditioned thought ❤

Well it doesn't perish because it's already not real. But I get what you mean ❤

@friend-man yes it feels like diving into the deep waters of the abyss. It's the disentangling from the socially conditioned mind matrix known as ME What comes out on the other side is pure emptiness or nothingness.... which happens to already be the case so fear not ❤

Is it possible that the idea of eternal being is just a projection of the illusory "I" or conditioned mind? Could that be a possibility? ❤

Yes exactly, YOU's cannot see this. ?

The only thing that is completely unreal in THIS whole apparent experience, is the sense of "I am".... the unreal seeking the unreal. Now that is quite the conundrum. ❤

The beautiful reunion is a delusion of the sense of self that so desperately wants to continue existing. The biggest problem for the sense of self is death... the same as realizing it never existed ❤