VeganAwake

No one experiences it. It's just recognized that "I" will never find enlightenment because "I" isn't really there. ❤

@Kksd74628 If that body was born in Ethiopia it would have a whole different experience with different beliefs, concepts, religion, etc... The illusory self construct is a product of its societal conditioning or upbringing. There isn't a real individual entity within the body, it's just a conditioned experience being identified with as "ME" & "MY" experience.

Yes, Is recognizing a mirage in the desert isn't real, a happening? It seems like someone's witnessing a seeing through the illusory self construct, but the witness is the illusion. No one sees through it, but its seen through nevertheless. ❤

Surprisingly what's longed for has nothing to do with finding the correct technique, pointer or stumbling across the right information. Look for who is seeking.

Yeah but the experience seems real for them. You can unconditionally love and accept everything while stopping the rape and putting out the fire. Yep it's that free. Much love to you as well brother ❤

No one actually ends the chase. It's recognized that the individual chasing after a better experience in the future isn't a real entity within the body. There SEEMS to be a real individual chasing enlightenment but it's an illusion of self. ❤

The needy individual IS the prison. Trying to become is referred to as "painting the prison wall". When the individual is clearly recognized to be unreal it's run on the hamster wheel game is over. A poem. "Ending the chase leaves the ego no place and it tends to fall away" ❤

But that's just the ego trying to get what it thinks it wants by becoming a more loving and accepting individual. This is known as spiritual ego. It's better to recognize this needy spiritual ego attempting to become a more loving and accepting individual is completely illusory. ❤

Hehe only joking ? But yes the belief of right or wrong/ good and bad is like a web of societal conditioning and survival instincts. There can't be any real right or wrong in that which has no meaning or purpose behind it.

Just referring to how the experience of assuming the dog was on the leash and assuming I am a separate person is similar. When it's recognized the self structure is completely unreal its simultaneously revealed that separation is an impossibility because there is no one which could be separate. Everything could be referred to as just stories because there's no real meaning or purpose behind anything. ❤

I'll give you my address but you probably can't afford the trip ?

Yes it can be shocking, scary and simultaneously liberating when the parameters of our own beliefs are recognized to be meer conditioned concepts held onto by an illusory self.

It's recognized the individual that worried, believed there is nothing to do and that everything has already happened is completely unreal. Its that free ❤

Yes exactly, for ego/sense of self there will always be one step further that needs to be done. This is the ego trick to keep itself intact. As long as there's someone seeking, it perpetuates the belief that there's something to find, and someone to find it. The seeker is unreal ❤

Well truth is a man-made concept which points to something particular or something narrow. So in that sense truth isn't real because it's not a particular something within everything. It literally is everything..... including the experience of not being able to find truth.

Well the individual attempting to be free is an illusion. Freedom is the unconditional love for everything exactly the way it is which includes the judgments, the happiness, the fear, the confusion, the anger, the bliss..... Freedom is that free completely all inclusive. It's so close it seems hidden which is why Tony Parsons describes it as the Open Secret. ❤

The freedom that's being pointed to here does not have stipulations or should and should nots. It's literally being okay with not liking someone, or a job or a religion exc.... It's not like a denial saying everything is actually just great while your house is burning down and your sisters getting raped. And it's most certainly not becoming a meditating pacifist letting people walk all over you and such. Its like an underlying peace of being with the situation(because that's what's happening) weather that shows up as anger, frustration, confusion, happiness or sadness and then adjusting to the apparent predicament as needed without creating a big drawn-out personalized story about what should or should not have happened.(Eckhart Tolle actually has a lot of good information in this area). And it's not that there's anything wrong with creating a long drawn-out personalized story.... it's recognizing the one creating this personalized story isn't real. ❤

Money and life are seen as good, and cancer and death are seen as bad for that which believes its alive. When suffering and bliss are seen as equal where can a problem arise and manifest. ❤

Then that's what's being experienced there. Its whole, complete and perfect. ❤

There's no prescription because it's a non-happening meaning something stops that was never actually happening. It was just recognized one day that this "sense of I" was like an assumed fabrication held together with a bunch of stories about who I thought I was. It felt like everything I thought I knew or believed to be real was crumbling away. This assumed self structure went from a solid brick wall, to a house of cards, to being recognized it was never real at all and that nothing actually happened. It was an unhappening. Take a very close look at this so-called "self". ❤

Yeah its completely radical. It really boils down to the identification aspect. The self is a very seemingly felt experience. The normal assumption is that "I am a real separate person". And yet somehow this identification seems to fall away and not because something stops but because it's recognized as having never been real in the first place....like an assumed identity or misidentification so to speak. And this apparent realization can happen whether the body is a sociopath, psychopath, or any average joe. It's often referred to as a non happening that's experienced by no one. ❤

.... another way to talk about this is that each apparent person born is brought up with different societal conditioning/life experience. (A person raised in Iran will have an apparent different experience than A person raised in Portland Oregon). So each person will have an apparent different experience depending on their societal upbringing.... but this so-called person (per son a) that seems to arise out of this so-called conditioning, is an illusion. Every different way the person judges reality is just a learned or conditioned concept which seems to create an entire different dream story experience. And even this is just a story ❤