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@Santiago Ram There's no real scale though......your not higher or lower because a model suggests so! Carry your weight, earn money responsibly, learn a healthy way of communicating with your parents. Win, win, win sinario's.....best for yourself, best for others, best for humanity......these are yellow traits in SD! It's not about being better or higher consciousness..... It really just makes the most sense after all!!!! ❤️

The disagreeing isn't real. Different words or stories do not change reality or equate to real differences. Drop the words/stories and Wallah.....apparent reality! ❤️

That's actually flattering that you assume I'm staying on comfortable familiar ground hehe. I get what you mean though. I'm just not standing on anything grounded...it's neither familiar nor comfortable.....it's like floating really 😄 I'm not trying swap one belief system out for another for anyone. I mean, why even have a belief system at all, if it's not able to be proven? ❤️

Yes, and those conditioned concepts can linger in the subconscious and still subtly steer conclusions in certain directions. Lifelong conditioning cannot be just thrown out..... It requires Clearly Seeing their invalidity. The same way when you focus on an issue long enough, the solution seems to reveal itself slowly. The conditioning itself requires unbiased focus for it to be finally revealed as hocus pocus 😁 ❤️

Dont be too hard on yourself. Debating and such can reveal all kinds of radical discoveries.....we all have different ways of attempting to understand. Nothing we have been talking about has bothered me at all.... You're a good person with a great sense of humor! No more cookies for you though 🤪 and I'm on a diet! ❤️

I wasn't assuming that it is incomprehensible...... I gave explanation. You can't properly start combat when your head is filled with prior conditioned belief systems...... You can't start the journey to discovery with a completely flawed map! When the cup is already full, there is no room for anything else. ❤️

Someone that hurts others has most likely been hurt themselves and is clearly mentally unstable. Abuse(physical/mental), neglection, rejection, abandonment, all fall into this unstable person category. No need to make up additional stories like evil, which was created by numerous lazy ignorant scared human beings a very long time. They were very impatient and didn't like the idea of simply not knowing or not understanding........so they just made up stories to account for their unanswered questions of WHY? What's really shocking is the amount of people that still believe these completely irrational and fictional stories birthed from ignorance! Don't underestimate the need for understanding from humans..... They will completely make up stories when they don't get the answers that suit them! 🤣 ❤️

I just think what's been said here doesn't align with your sneaky underlying agenda/belief system, so you argue endlessly in the face of common sense using polysemous words out of context to sound intelligent and so if someone corners you, you can just say you meant it differently. Can't fool me! ❤️

That true self is "I" in disguse! It's a very sneaky tactic to preserve itself! There isn't a higher or a lower self! ❤️

It's even more radical than that. There isn't even actually an I

Ok, your right, Evil is as real as Santa Claus 🧑‍🎄 🎁 💝

Bro seriously, you're making it way too complex..... what's being discussed doesn't take numerous philosophy and or language/writing classes. This is a perfect example of why so-called knowledge can actually hinder discovery! The mind is so full of concepts, it can't even grasp basic understanding anymore! It's not negating when it's just obvious that there are no universal morals. Those morals and belief systems are created by conditioned and biased scared human beings....nothing more! One experience can cause one individual pain and suffering while the next person simply chuckles or shrugges it off and drives on with life! You can call it avoidance or negating all you want, but you don't know what's being experienced here in any way at all...... Your conditioning is basically painting a picture for you of what is happening here....that's all! Sorry bud! ❤️

I haven't been avoiding anything though. I've already mentioned that the human bodies natural survival instincts are to avoid pain and suffering.....but that doesn't mean that things that cause it, are evil or bad! Basically, humans in the past couldn't find any real answers or meaning to anything, so they just made up their own. When one stops carrying around all these conditioned beliefs, they no longer hold weight in ones experience. It actually opens up room for additional discoveries. The words and concepts become meaningless and it's finally recognized that these beliefs were actually creating or shaping the dream story in which one lives in! See, even without these beliefs the rain still falls, the sun still shines and the wind still blows. They simply aren't needed. ❤️

I definitely understand what you mean! For me: Conditioned Society = Matrix or Dream Story.....& within this dream story or matrix, there are things like: Value, Meaning, Purpose, Good & Bad, Right & Wrong, Evil & Godly, Heaven & Hell, God & Satan etc...etc... I'm usually always talking in reference to biggest picture understanding outside of conditioned society, which can be very confusing! I totally get how it can sound like deflection, avoidance, spiritual bypassing, escapism, going down the wrong path etc etc... But for that to be valid, there first has to be an initial belief in right or wrong to start with.....that first initial belief is the culprit of misunderstandings. Example: For someone to be labeled as bypassing, avoiding the "truth" or deflecting, there first has to be a belief that there really is a higher "truth" or a right or wrong path one could accidentally stumble down. Logically speaking, someone can't go down the wrong path if there isn't a real right path to begin with......get my point! These discussions points coming from me, would probably not help someone dealing with mental health issues and trying to find solid life morals to live by. I really only come and chat on this forum because Leo's content was helpful in providing numerous outside the box thinking strategies and or contemplation techniques and really great videos at a time when nobody else was really diving into the really meaty topics of spirituality and non-duality. Maybe the time has come for the old vegan to move along 🥲 ❤️

But if @Letho says its evil, its evil lol.....get out of here with that dude! 🤣

I've explained things clearly but you can't grasp what's being said or your just not listening. You keep talking about evil and suffering over and over again and can't see my point. The concept of good & evil is man made. It was created from a lack of understanding. It's a lazy way of dealing with misunderstood behaviors and actions....period! There is absolutely no universal good and evil standards in reality because there isn't a higher dictating source..........that makes your theories nothing more than a biased conditioned belief system that you grasp tightly to because your afraid! Sorry bud! Nothing more than scared human creations! ❤️

The claim is that all so-called evil doings could be chalked up as simply someone with serious mental illness or a history of abuse or both! If that's classified in society as evil......then I guess it's evil according to society! It would sound like ignorance to me! ❤️

@Letho I can tell you think you're smart. That's great! You remind me of a fairly educated brainwashed christian! You use big words, but they actually make you sound silly! Btw, how many different accounts do you use to praise yourself hahahaha! The thing about non-duality is, it doesn't matter what level of education you've convinced yourself of having...... that socially conditioned education is the biggest obstacle to discovering truth....good luck! "The biggest barrier to learning and making new discoveries is not a lack of knowledge, but rather the false belief that one already knows enough, preventing them from actively seeking further understanding" ‐ Daniel J. Boorstin. ❤️

🤣 Oh noooo Is the consequence fairy going to come put a tack under my pillow. I'm so afraid of suffering nooooo 😅😂🤣 ❤️

Dude you seriously make things way overly complex! Your notions of evil are social constructs period!..... If you can't clearly see that, I don't know what to tell you! Your so-called evil is just basic human events that you're over dramatizing to make a point. Believe what you want because you are definitely not picking up what's being said and that's just fine! Things aren't evil just because you say they are and don't like the outcome! ❤️

Well it's not a philosophy or a belief and it doesn't teach anything. It doesn't lead anyone anywhere or have an agenda to push. It's an empty message. Its also not an attempt to swap one belief out for another. It leaves the canvas blank without any paint on it. It's very "childlike" in the sense that it's prior to the societal conditioning most are subjected to, while growing up! It's similar to Ralstons discussions about Unknowing.....but its also not that, and simultaneously it includes that as well because it's Everything. It has nothing to do with so-called knowledge, experience or teaching of any sort. Its a communication attempting to point out the Unconditional Freedom of Everything, exactly as it appears to be, and prior to any so-called knowledge about it! It's not even a something to be gotten because it's already the case. ❤️

Ah gotcha, so your foundation for your so-called morals, stems from fear of experiencing those consequences.....interesting 🤔 That so-called moral weight, is a completely fictional scale of measurement created by your very own conditioned way of thinking(matrix). Labeling natural life experiences as evil, is just a lazy way of dealing with fear based problems. Concocted stories from scared humans does not give anyone a very accurate moral compass! There is no need here to waste my energy on rejecting the belief in a higher power. It just becomes blatantly obvious, that these ridiculous fear based religious stories have nothing to do with truth! Stop believing that humans from thousands of years ago or any time period, had some kind of sacred knowledge to pass down. Those people we're just as clueless as humans are today about How & Why! Only worse because they created a bunch of BS stories raging chaos across the planet as a religious weapon of war! So one could actually say the concept of Evil was created by ignorance & fear! ❤️