VeganAwake

First and foremost my Forum name is not vegan, it's VeganAwake. I can afford plenty of lawyers unlike you.. thats laid off. look Bud Leo has been a huge inspiration in my life.. along with a deep Awakening experience and not a mystical made up story to match his experience.... I would honestly challenge you to go out and find your own experience. Clear recognition of non-duality isn't something that's experienced prior to Awakening. I would recommend you as a newbie that's good with words but just doesn't understand non-duality.... It's absolutely nothing to be ashamed of it's just whether it happens or not... an experience that is..

Who is frustrated? Where is that one show it to me... Where does that one reside? I will take care of business for all of us

No it's not false it transcend's true or false. There's nothing true and there is nothing false. Either it's recognized or it's not and it doesn't matter either way Existence goes on existing whether or not there's false premises placed on top of it or not. The marriage world and existence as we know it could be apparently collapsing for an individual. The birds are still birding the mountains are still Mountaining The trees are still treeing and the grass is still grassing. We are not the center of the universe as much as we want to believe it or not. ❤

I will be honest there's an energy build up from the frustration of individuals that believe they will find something of THIS! For god sakes we are energy we are creation we are this. Sometimes I can't believe the illusion of grandeur isn't recognized as future fulfillment.... or keep running on the hamster wheel so the ego self can survive. This is it brother there's nothing else. It's beautiful whole complete perfect the Kingdom of Heaven Paradise

No I have no idea what you mean whatsoever. This isn't an illusion of grandeur/ or adopt others beliefs forum this is what's really happening for you. And Leo will be the first one to reiterate to go out and find what's true for you. This isn't an adoption forum. It's a find out what's true forum. For yourself ❤ ❤ ❤

This is what you said: "and in the same way, there is aspects that are 100% that you haven't seen either, and me to" There isn't a 'YOU' to see anything that's what's being pointed out. Have you listened to anything I've said or could you be stuck to your own belief Paradigm. Or could it be you don't accept the fact that there is awakeness here revealing what is. You will probably go on believing everything you believe and that's fine because its whole complete and perfect... no issue whatsoever Awakening from the Dream is for the unknowers. ❤

There are no stages to Awakening because ultimately it's a recognized( after Awakening occurs) there was never a separate individual that could become awakened. So although it sounds paradoxical it's later recognized it just never was the case. It was a misidentification with thoughts and energy in the apparent human body that gave the illusion there was a separate individual.

Yes just what's happening Brother ❤

oh do you mean that you would be judged if it was recognized you are just identified with the thoughts arising there. ❤ Of course you would not be judged they're just thoughts arising for No One ❤

We believe that conditioning is our fault but it is out of our hands. Same with Hitler he was raised by abusive manipulating parents alcoholics most of the time. If we knew Hitler has a child, we would embrace him with love and care for him. Like a caterpillar breaking out of its cocoon spreading its wings and flying away ❤

You are already complete... there was never anything that needed to be found or discovered... that's the dream. You We're perfect whole and complete all along. ❤

Well that's the point you will become undone brother❤ free

What is your question? ❤

This is also why you wouldn't want to speak to an actual enlightened individual because they would put you in your place and completely obliterate your entire paradigm which would feel like death to you. ❤

You will run into all kinds of issues because you do not understand what non-duality is because you haven't seen through the illusion of the separate self correctly or clearly enough.

No not at all in any way. Your definition of Nothing/One is that there's something here that is conscious of what's Happening. This definition is that it's an illusion and there is nothing here experiencing anything. Do you see now the major difference in perspectives? ❤

When Awakening occurs there isn't anyone left,. that's what you're not recognizing. Non-duality cannot be recognized from the subject/object perspective period. That's the apparent issue here.

Hahaha....love that ?

Right....? what I'm saying is that there isn't an individual to be asleep from the get-go. ❤ It's an illusory experience of being asleep

Yes absolutely there was never a suggestion to not experience and enjoy what is apparently happening. It's the experience that what is apparently happening is unrecognizable and simultaneously incredible with the recognition that it is not happening to someone. It's just happening it's what is ❤

It's indescribable, its perfect whole and complete. If you want to believe that God/self would limit itself into finite perspectives to experience suffering and or finite experiences.... To include creativity Beauty love Etc that's what's being experienced there. It was recognized here that the one that believes that is illusion. It's what's being experienced there... can't argue with that. Because it's what is. The recognition here is that there's nothing driving the train.... which I should mention is Pure Freedom because there's nothing or no one to blame for apparent suffering. This is a great conversation and there's so much appreciation for Leo's open groundedness and creativity to make such a forum available. It's this it's beautiful it's perfect it's complete ❤

Yeah but this is a straw man argument. That's like saying there's no apparent other valid experiences. If 500 people in the village start getting healed from the next Villages Medicine Man wouldn't that be an experience of Interest?

Awakening is apparently real when you are still identified as a separate individual. When Awakening occurs it's recognized the separate individual never existed hence the comment Awakening is not real. ❤ Because there was never a separate individual that could have awakened.

Listen to what Peter says at the very end of the interview, he doesn't say you realize you are everything or higher consciousness.... what does he say.