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@dimitri ❤

So Liberation could then be described as the recognition that there never was a separate individual that needed to wake up... it was a misunderstanding/misidentification. this makes Enlightenment Awakening or liberation non-applicable... Because there is no one that wakes up.

meant to say can't go wrong( edited it) ❤

You cant go wrong because everything is IT... The only thing that would think it took a wrong path is a thought identified with that says it.

Well this is why it's described as Awakening from the dream. When it's recognized that the feeling that there's more to be found is just another thought, it takes the wind out of the sails sort of speak. When it's recognized that the feeling of separation and lack is just another thought identified with.... where do you go from there? There's nowhere to go because THIS is already it... it's already complete and perfect. And seeking for something other than THIS experience is also it...

No one recognizes it and that's what's so mysterious about the whole thing... it's almost as if something underneath the sense of self recognizes it... Now what could you call that: God Consciousness Higher self... you could call it whatever you want, you can call it dirty socks, but the fact is labeling it and using Concepts to conceptualize something that can't be understood is really just silly... It's absolutely unknowable... But there's nothing wrong with trying to know. Trying to know is also perfectly whole and complete. ❤

Sure, The recognition that there isn't a separate individual inside the body. The sense of self was a misidentification with thought and pathological thinking which started at a very young age. Simultaneously the recognition that there is nothing to continue seeking for because the Seeker isn't real and there was nothing missing in the first place that could be found.

The peace does not lie in the checking off the minds endless box's. Nothing can be added or taken away because everything is already THIS ❤ There's nothing else required you're already whole, just BE...

A great way of explaining it ? In a sense the recognition that there is nothing to be found and no one who could find it, is the seeking energy going bye-bye ?

And it's perfectly fine to have that recognition, experience or belief there... no judgement at all. What this message is attempting to communicate is that "the sense of self" can not conceive of its own unreality. And why would it, it wants to survive just like any other apparent living entity. It simply cannot and will not accept that it's unreal. It will subtly sneak in the back door as the true self the higher self the spiritual self the god self.... it will do whatever it has to do to not die... It will say look I'm the new spiritual do- gooder Ego, there's no reason to ever get rid of me, I'm all about peace love and harmony more more more. This isn't Liberation or Enlightenment, it's a case of the sneaky spiritual ego trip. This exact experience occurred here... the ego was regathering itself and returning as the Great and Mighty all-knowing Spiritual Ego. The recognition here was too deep though and it was seen for what it was... just another attempt by the Ego to slide in and take back over. to make a long story short: It was dropped like it was hot ?...

I use the voice text option on my cell which is probably why it may sound robotic riged/dry. Language and thinking is dualistic in the sense that there is an apparent separate individual speaking or thinking here and everything else out there... the communication isn't it, it's just a pointer as you've already said. This communication is pointing to the recognition that there isn't a separate individual within the human body that should obtain something in the future called Awakening or enlightenment. So in that sense Enlightenment or Liberation is already the case it's there now waiting to be recognized by no one.... just so it's clear haha ?

Desire stems from the feeling of being a separate individual that is incomplete and needs to find fulfillment somewhere in the future... as long as this seeking energy is not recognized for what it truly is it will continue to seek forever because that's all it is and all it can do. Desire is then fulfilled when it's recognized nothing and no-one need fulfillment... everything was already complete all along it's just a dream or misidentification that says otherwise. "The ego says seek but do not find" -- ACIM the ego actually wants to find fulfillment, it's just when it recognizes it has to go bye-bye in the process it can only say this is not it this is not it Retreat retreat...lol And that's all happening within perfection... it's just waiting for no one to recognize it

THIS communication has been discussed a little bit lately on the Forum... I've attended a few of his zoom sessions in the last couple months while in quarantine.

exactly ❤

Yes exactly there can be an experience that love is the answer there... and it's whole complete and perfect. Meanwhile existence is just carrying on exactly the same way as it did before. Apparent Existence does not depend on an answer it does not need anyone to find an answer because there isn't a real question... everything is already full complete and perfect it's already the Kingdom of Heaven it's already Paradise. See what happens is the self lays down it's perceived reality on top of reality and thinks it has found an answer.. when you are asleep your identified with thoughts and seeking energy that believes there is something that needs answering realized discovered sought after understood all of the above... But there's nothing to find because there is nothing actually missing and there is not an actual entity inside the body that needs to find something it's just misidentification with thoughts feelings beliefs perceptions as the ME character somewhere in the body. Enlightenment is recognizing there isn't anyone that actually needs an answer and there is nothing to find because everything is already as it is. When the seeking energy and thoughts are no longer identified with there's nothing that needs anything. Therefore when Enlightenment occurs there is no longer a ME... which is already the case. ❤ do you have eyes to see

Yep that's it... ? ❤ ?

It wasn't my answer, there is no ME. Yes there is no answer because there isn't a real question or questioner. There can still be apparent statements or communications, they just don't hold any real value or meaning behind them... there just pointing to something that can be recognized beyond the self structure.

everything is real and unreal... Real in the sense that you can go out and touch a tree it feels solid and real it's apparently what is.. Unreal in the sense that anything that the mind does or thinks to describe what a tree is, is not really what the tree is... it's empty it can't be pinned down or labeled. Even more interesting the one that believes it's contemplating is just an misidentification with a thought about contemplating as the ME. There isn't a 'YOU'... Don't contemplate with the belief that YOU are contemplating... Empty your glass completely and contemplate: who is the one contemplating ; where does this one exist; what is it made out of? ❤

But the 'YOU' that believes 'I' made a clever suggestion, isn't real

Unconditional love is what remains after egoic love with agenda is recognized to be illusory ❤

There isn't a mystery or mystical realm that needs discovery. It's everything that appears...this is already the mystery....already the unknowable... Not because it's Indescribable which it is... Because the one describing it isn't real ?

@Someone here yep that's the big recognition... some clearing up will probably occur but like you said it doesn't matter because it's just what's happening within THIS...❤ ?