VeganAwake

His communication is simply pointing to the recognition that the separate sense of 'self' that believes it needs to find something for fulfillment to take place, is a complete illusion. There's no higher or lower teaching agreed, but there can still be a clear communication of the absurdity of trying to prepare something that isn't real to begin with for falling away. That's what is being communicated. Awakening is pointing to the cessation of the self. When this occurs it's simultaneously recognized they're actually never was a separate 'I' that needed to fall away in the first place. It was simply a misunderstanding or misidentification.

Hahaha...hehe. so glad I didn't miss this ❤

And that's the experience there... it's perfect whole and complete. ❤

Totally get it.... I assumed the same thing. Wouldn't it be more concerning if someone had a different belief system every other month or so. ? The funny thing is saying the same thing over and over again can sound like someone is stuck in their limited belief system and will not budge. This is why it's so important to look for yourself. If I would have came into this work already thinking I knew the answer(full glass) not really sure what would have happened. One day I heard Adyashanti discuss how enlightenment it's not a gaining, it's a crumbling of way of untruth... See I didn't even know what I was looking for... I just figured if I gained enough knowledge to somehow the gateless gates would be open when and if I arrived. No one enters the gateless gate so be no one.

I am very familiar with Jim's communication and I've spoken with him a couple times on Zoom sessions. I agree with that what he says can be easily misunderstood. If you give me an example of an atrocious lie from jim... I can probably explain it a few different ways. ❤

Nothingcon Sep 19-20...

What irony is that?

Your very welcome ? Yes very well said... Didn't think there was arguing or so called chimpery, I was just pointing out the experience here from watching a lot of his videos in the past. Really nice soft-spoken guy altogether. From this perspective the unknowable everything that's happening is consciousness.... it's not something that needs to be found, its "What IS"

Cherry picking a bit. When the word 'I' is used, it's just an expression of language for communication purposes. When it was said "I don't believe", it was pointing to the experience that there isn't a separate someone or something here to be conscious of anything in the first place... that's the dream or Maya. Apparent interpretation can still arise.... this isn't about things not arising, it's about they are not arising for a Separate 'Self'. it's just what arises, no need to add a bunch of concepts on top of it(but that's okay also, there is no right or wrong). It's the immediacy of what's happening. ❤

At the end he says peace and happiness is another name for consciousness. That's interesting because I would consider myself peaceful and happy and don't even believe in consciousness at least in the way he attempts to portray it. I truly think he means well, a great guy but sometimes I get the feeling he talks in circles for a long time about very basic topics and is aware that time on the camera earns the bucks $ from YouTube and gets more people to go to his meetings... I also have the sense that guy that asked the question was probably more confused after Rupert was done explaining what it was he was attempting to explain. I think Rupert had some sort of Awakening but then completely filled his apparent experience with lots of conceptual dogma. I'm not trying to talk crap ❤ really not just how I see it. Here is an interview from Jim Newman who I've been listening to for a while. I love how direct and to-the-point he is.

In fact I'm not sure there would even be casinos and gambling without the invention of alcohol... nothing makes you more spiritual and realize the unimportance of money than dropping a grand down on the craps table after a strong glass of whiskey and losing it all in one bet lol. You could also call this being an unwise gambler hehe... the point is that I walked out of the casino smiling and with no regrets.(true story at the Chumash Casino 1 month ago) ❤

Haha that's funny I think Leo actually said in one of his videos that we might not be here if our father didn't have enough beers and bundle up the courage to ask our mothers out... love that video ❤

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The identification as the thinker of the thoughts causes suffering. When the mechanisms that create suffering are understood it allows energy to be placed where it needs to be placed instead of all over the place....it gives aim. Awareness alone is Curative ❤

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I'm actually still in... I do heavy equipment construction for the US Navy. 19 months 16 days until I retire... not counting or anything lol ❤ Not sure what quoting scripture means I think you're referring to parroting maybe, but the thing is when you get down to the brass tacks of everything there aren't any individuals so it's just apparent meaningless information or pointers. After what I'm describing has clearly been seen through there's not a glass left that could be emptied. There isn't even one now it just seems that way. ?

I was a diehard seeker for about a year before having a samadhi style Awakening (a lot of quick stilling of the Whirlwind of mind) a year-and-a-half ago while I was deployed to Okinawa Japan, I was meditating in the morning and evenings and during the day in the bathroom stall lol stinky at times. I was listening to a lot of Leo's 2016 through 2018 videos, most of the Spiral Dynamics and Collective ego videos to name a few. Anyways at some point I recognized the 'self' identity was a misidentification with feelings thoughts perceptions labels beliefs and stored energy in the body. It was recognized my mind had been causing all the suffering taking place in my life(identification with thought) I had also heard Adyashanti speak about Enlightenment was not a gaining, it's a complete Falling/stripping away process. To make a long story short basically let go of everything that I considered my reality... and started embracing Unknowing!! I would say it's been an ongoing gradual Awakening process for around the last 3 years in total. ❤ It might seem like something here cares so much but when this is clearly seen through it's not difficult discussing what was clearly recognized. I was a truth Seeker so sure sometimes a little bit of that conditioning comes back when I hear people talking from complete ignorance or hearsay... one of the first things I learned on this path was you have to fully empty your glass. Hence one of my favorite quotes: "the greatest obstacle to Discovery is not ignorance, it's the illusion of knowledge". I don't have an agenda here so if they kicked me off the Forum tomorrow, I would just adjust. There isn't a deep-seated belief held, that I need to help awaken as many people as possible or anything like that. Whatever is happening is happening... it is what it is. ❤

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Hehe yes absolutely 100% Check out at 6:10 ❤

Yes unknowing!! ❤ being reborn and seeing the world with childlike eyes and wonder...

Hehe .... I was just messing around ❤ so much love bro. But really every life experience would have influenced this point of view... So I guess the most logical thing to say would be: It's just VIEW.....?