Zigzag Idiot

There's something to be said about being in tune with the spirit of the times in relation to spiritual work and integration. I just don't know how to say it. Express through song. I like the rich mid bass sound in a lot of her songs.

"This is the difference between us and the angels. Angels are perfectly made and, therefore, naive and stupid; they can only do what they are made for. Humans have many more possibilities. There is more joy in heaven for one perfected human being than for a thousand angels. -From Ocke de Boer's Higher Being Bodies, page 102. @tsuki I have the veiw that technically we're all Narcissists. You're one of the kindest and good hearted of all us narcissist.

I guess my understanding of enlightenment is of the soft version.,,,, Fardow - Word Terence made up as a kid meaning the embarrassment you feel when someone else fucks up. " The room was awash in fardow.

Mark Russell and Shannon Wheeler went on to write a paraphrasing of the Apocrypha.

This was the book that led me to God is Dissapointed in You. Modern day Zen Master Brad Warner wrote this book described as -A Radical but Reverent Paraphrasing of Dogen's Treasury of the True Dharma Eye “. In the beginning of the book he mentioned that his inspiration for paraphrasing this 700 year old Zen text came from having read Wheeler's God Is Disappointed in You. This was around 2014-2015 when I was actually practicing Zazen, even though sporadically. Getting a feel for Zazen prepared me better for a continuing Centering Prayer Meditation practice. I was officially a Zen devil in the early 2000's. Zen Devils just need space and time IMO.

Mark Russell's paraphrasing of the Bible helped me to understand what was actually being said in the Bible often in a harlarious way. I would say that seculars and the Mystic's can jive with it, but probably not fundamentalists. On second thought I just remembered a story of some fundamentalists enjoying it. So,,, A Course In Miracles helped me to understand the New Testament better and in a transpersonal way as well. So,, ?‍♂️

Bells Theorem The Overmind as God? The most objective of The disciples- The Apostle Doubting Thomas Possibility of evolving beyond religion,,,

I was convinced that there was something to it in the late nineties when it came out. I also "ate up" his second book on it. Just noticed at some point there was a book three. I may read it at some point. ?‍♂️ I don't know,,,,,

@mandyjw Thank you very much. You articulate very well the complexity of living in the midst of a mostly blue/orange rural subculture. The fear to be worked through at times is no small thing. IMO Combined ingredients of the super ego ( internalized inner critic that holds our childhood caretakers worldview) and also our own conditioned ego to me are things which require a good deal of time to be processed and worked through/let go of. Its why I've posted this one little 2 minute you tube using Gurdjieffs word/concept of inner considering. IMO Becoming clear on what inner considering consists of helps me to thwart more times when when these conditions start to come about in my life situations. It's at that time I get that "cubic centimeter of Chance" to choose, as Castaneda put it. Each time I post this. It acts as an alarm clock for myself and helps center me if I need Centering in some way. The way I commicate can at times come off as preachy. Just wanted to remind everyone that I preaching to myself. I can only work on myself. Not that I won't throw out ideas to others like most of us sometimes do. Or like in this instance where what you say seems connected with innerprocesses of something I go through. That's why I share in instances like this on the chance that you might find something about it beneficial. Meanwhile repeated listening helps me to create more inner connections which in turn help my integration and individuating. logging off now. Back in a few hours.

Thank you, @modmyth Yes, me also. Regrettably. I often spend a lot of time choosing my words and I'll spend a great deal of time just writing a few short lines about something. Ironically that's one reason why I have a lot of typos like having two identical adjectives or verbs next to one another. Back and forth I'll pour over something until I'm just about sick of it and then I'll hit the send button too quick. In my understanding of essence types, I understand why a particular few, some also of my essence type and others not, who are sick of me, hate me, and wish I would just shut up and go away. Some of you love me because you realize that I am you, also. And then there are all those who are in between. Hi everybody. ?‍♂️ Truth is more readily apprehended from a place of light heartedness. I think this is true. It may not be true though. What does everyone think? For themselves as us. Ocke says something like - We leap out of our graves in becoming balanced human. Balanced human is human #4 in the Ray of Creation cosmological map. Going through the Cosmic Truckstop there was a partial map of Consciousness I picked off the floor. It said Human #5 has a Kedsjan body and has the light turned on. There is much more going on also. I need to find the rest of that map and try to learn more about human #6.

I've enjoyed reading this thread. I want to post some relevant quotes that are to the point and in my frame of reference resolve some disparities which have been expressed. In case anyone finds it of interest. Relating Without Object Relations The Pearl beyond price can relate in a personal way without the need to activate past object relations. So its capacity is not only innate but also natural and spontaneous. It is Possible to Experience Egoless Beingness Thus it is possible to experience egoless beingness, to be, as a substantial presence that is not a mental construct, and still live a human, personal life, in which love, work, knowledge, creativity and accomplishment make sense, a human sense. This true existence, this presence, this being beyond time that makes sense of human and personal life, is the Personal Essence. It is the reality of which ego is only a reflection. It is the truly integrated and developed human being. This is the beautiful presence that the traditional literature of work schools calls the “pearl beyond price.” The experience of universal impersonality of ultimate reality occurs when the separate individuality is transcended, when the separate individuality is seen not to be our true self. But this is the result of transcending the personality in its totality. Something different happens when we investigate the personality’s manifestations in more detail, exploring the hidden essential truth within it. The ego is a reflection of this true element of Being, the Personal Essence, and exploring the characteristics of the reflection can lead us to the reality being reflected. By isolating and understanding the elements of the false, we can begin to approach the elements of the real. The Essential Structure that the Soul Develops as She Metabolizes and Transcends her Ego Structure The pearl can also be seen as the essential structure that the soul develops as she metabolizes and transcends her ego structure. Ego structure gives the ego-self the sense of being an autonomous and unique individual. But this structure is constructed through fixed mental impressions in the soul; hence it both dissociates her from her essential ground and limits her development because of its rigidity and fixation. The essential pearl provides the soul with a sense of individuality and personhood that does not depend on fixed impressions, but on spontaneously arising forms of essential presence that structure her experience of herself and give her the capacity to function as a person. The soul matures and transforms into a person of essence. However, the qualities and actions of this person are quite fluid and flexible and are objective responses resonant to the needs and inputs of the environment. The Pearl is an Ontological Presence The pearl is the real, complete, balanced, and rounded personality that psychologists believe they are talking about when they are discussing the ego. We must remember that the ego is a structure, or structured process, whereas the pearl is Essence, which means the pearl is an ontological Presence. We call it the Personal Essence because among all the essential aspects it alone is personal. It is experienced as having a personal flavor to it, in contradistinction to impersonal. All aspects of Essence, even love and kindness, are impersonal. But the pearl is personal. And this is its miraculous quality, totally unexpected and unfathomable. From https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/pearl-beyond-price I posted 4 out of the 12 quotes from this web page in the Glossary.

l listened to this and left this talk in High Consciousness Resources yesterday. I need to listen to it again. They were offering imaginative conjecture about what constitutes Consciousness and at at one point they talked about Conscience. This is from Ocke de Boer: Ocke: One of the aims of our Work is to bring us in contact with Conscience, which is in our subconsciousness. Conscience is the inner memory for those actions necessary to bring any given situation back in tune with Unity. Although this definition of Conscience is correct, it stays incomplete, because Conscience cannot be reasoned but must come into Being.

You churn out a lot of good pondering and systems thinking. Your work helps my understanding develop more. Thank you for your work and for sharing.

My ICHING reading Hexagram 33 Retreating/Hiding with changing line 4 producing a second Hexagram 57 The Penetrating Hexagram 57 (skip some text) ,,,,,,,,,,In this Hexagram the Sage describes the Ćosmic Principle of Penetration. It has several fields of application: Penetration is the way our thoughts penetrate through the light to the Sage when we ask for help, and is the way the Sage's thoughts penetrate to us as insights, intuitions, mind-flashes, and correct responses to emergency situations. It is the means by which our thoughts get to the root causes of problems It is the way our thoughts communicate with others inner truth It is the means by which the inner Yes or inner No reach all parts of our own psyche and body. It is how the inner Yes or inner No, when said to others, communicates to their inner truth It is the way the inner No corrects projections, spells, poison arrows, and negative thoughts by meeting them in the realm of Consciousness It is the way chi is transmitted to our hearts from the Cosmic source, to renew our life force Penetration describes the way the smallest correct thoughts communicate sympathetically though inner channels between people.

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I'm curious about the Astrology of situations. Come to think of it. Now would be a good time for me to consult the ICHING with a coin tossing.

I think a good deed would be as a placeholder to help others out in protecting the amount of privacy they want around their sexuality. Each person alone should have complete sovereignty concerning that. If there was seen such a way in which one could help. Im a different person when I go visit My grandmother than I am when I'm cutting firewood, buying groceries or being a slut. ?

Rhetorically, I ponder if it's because we are multidimensional that we get into these situations like this? Whats the formula for avoiding or undoing them? Anyone feel free to comment if it would benefit. Even if it there is a suggestion or question about any of my perceived blindspot. I can take some heat but likewise everyone following this observe your own projection especially if you're going to comment. My intention is for everyone walk away in the kind of laughter that brings unity to the situation and breaks all tension.. ?

This is a good example of the kind of situations I've got into through unfortunate synchronization for the whole of my life.

@Anna1 I hate that misunderstanding like that would happen. But I see what you mean. Sorry, I had spent an hour wording my message and ignoring everything else. I just sent you a private message that would shed light on all of it. If it would help or not.,,,

While this is still editable I want to declare that this was in no way was aimed at Anna. It was just bad timing or poor judgement on my part in not seeing how it might look. My intention was to make all sincere women (and men) here in the forum more comfortable about having dialogue with me. That is, if we shared any interests and they wanted to make a comment or question here. I was just being upfront about that part of my life. Edit above 4:24 am January 5th. I'm going to post this and log off and be back in a few hours. We all flirt somewhat in different ways so I'm going to throw this out here to maybe prevent some misunderstandings. Relationship-wise I'm not much of a catch. But I'm not really looking for a monogamous relationship or seeking out sex either. I have two girlfriends who don't get along. I was in monogamous relationship with both of them in the past. Not at the same time. I live alone and kinda prefer it that way. If I met a woman who I was really attracted to, I would probably have sex if she felt the same way. I wouldn't hide this from my 2 other intimate friends if the subject came up. I'm not interested in married women that way unless she were in an open marriage. I'm not interested in having sex with couples either unless it was two bisexual women. I think most guys are this way but it's not something I'm in search of. But if two beautiful bisexual women who were independently wealthy and owned a home in the Rockies somewhere, preferably next to a ski resort. That would be ok. When I visited I would even shovel snow or mow the yard. That kind of stuff,,, Any woman, whether they were married or not, who are interested in working on themselves psychologically and spiritually should feel at ease in making contact with me if they want to engage in dialogue and not worry about me having ulterior motives. I've probably forgot something but If I think of anything else, I'll ad it later. ?

Me too @Anna1 It's a powerful movie. IMO, Debra Winger's portrayal of her character made that movie what it was. I also really enjoyed it's sequel The Evening Star.

These are clips from movies based on books written by one of my favorite Authors Larry McMurtry. He was also involved in some of the screen production of these movies. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_McMurtry

@modmyth I recognize/remember this song. I like her. The other day somewhere you posted her singing Not Fair. It opens with Porter Wagoneer introducing her. I totally bought it thinking she was really from that far in the past. Also thinking, damn that was risky for the Porter Wagoner show which I sometimes watched as a kid only because I was completely bored and there was something worse on the one other tv channel we got living out in the country. The Porter Wagoner show really sucked. Lol I'm tickled that I bought into it until a few minutes ago. I'm such an airhead.