Zigzag Idiot

So true. I lived it all through my twenties with insecurities and being socially awkward with attempts to cover it over with cynicical attitudes. It's a cold place and it seems very dark and unfair. I would recommend to those in that inner condition- cultivating some form of gratitude, radical authenticity, spontaneity and light heartedness instead of doing calculated cold approaches. Especially if you're not a natural bullshiter.

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I agree. Our being attracts our life.

Welcome. It's good to have another student of the Gurdjieff work here. The movements are one aspect of the Work that I've not participated in. I would like to though sometime. I'm a Mars Essence type with a center of gravity in the instinctive moving Center. Through Cynthia Bourgeault's Work, I've come to appreciate doing sittings as well as physical sensing of the body. Feel free to visit my Journal and make comments if inclined. I'm a rogue student of the Work as well as the Almaas material. There's also a Gurdjieff thread in High Consciousness Resources.

This is a decent movie about Gurdjieff's life. It's got a bit of that 70's cheesiness in it, though,, This scene has a bit of a riddle in it. It's based actually on a book Gurdjieff wrote. The most readable Of his books IME Here also is a bit of Gurdjieff's sense of humor. Brother sez and Brother al ,,,,, The riddle concerns them.

Leo, Have you enneatyped yourself? If so, what was your conclusion? Wouldn't by chance be a type Nine? How about Essence or Endocrine-body type? I guess you to be Lunar/Venusian. ?‍♂️ The chief feature of Lunar types is said quite often to be willfulness,,, ? Also a question that's fairly woo woo,,, as if the first two weren't. If it wasn't for Faith Javane's books, I probably would never have gotten interested in numerology. I noticed your Birthdate in Pythagorean numerology reduces down to 33/6. In case you've ever dug into your numerology, any comments about that? I understand if you skip over my questions. In answering them, you'd probably catch a lot of hell over it,,, however you answered them. I'm into typologies so I had to ask. I appreciate your work.

Jean Houston has led an extraordinary life,,,

"Crystalization can happen on a right foundation or a wrong foundation"

I like that! ? It serves as a description of the state aimed at in Centering Prayer most often referred to as objectless awareness or nonconceptual awareness. IME This is what Gurdjieff was pointing to in Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson with the term 'Kundabuffer'. If we don't have a solid grounding in the body, Kundalini runs wild into our imagination which keeps people stuck in their head and emotions. It's power is so great and yet subtle, at the same time that our imaginings mix with our ego structures in the above mentioned feedback loop to form a custom reality from our own personal history. I might propose that taking note of one's own internal dialogue in general, could be viewed as strong circumstantial evidence that one is polluted by their own ego structures. Just the very fact of nonstop thinking in general or as some say, "monkey mind" points to that foreign installation that Oscar Ichazo referred to as the "word mechanism". The mind's role in Three Centered Awareness is simply to provide space or as Echart Tolle might say, spaciousness. A still, quiet mind has the quality of spaciousness. True thinking is a slow deliberate function. Much slower than the speed of emotions, which most often is what gets us all in trouble. Emotional reactivity,,, As the theory goes one's enneatype is simply a polluted form of one of the nine Holy Ideas. The ultimate meaning of the Enneagram. The following is a piece of Ichazo's description of point nine where he uses the phrase "word mechanism". Holy Love which when appears in polluted form, the personality is described as being possessed by sloth. According to Ichazo, Divine Love is “The awareness that though the laws which govern reality are objective, they are not cold, because these cosmic laws inevitably lead to the creation of organic life, and Life itself, like all natural phenomena, fulfills a cosmic purpose. As soon as the mind’s word mechanism is destroyed, love, the natural condition of the mind, appears. Love begins the moment man contemplates the Creation and says, ‘Thank you, God.’ All men feel this somewhat, no animal can feel this at all. Man alone can know that all comes from God.” Excuse me if I've gone off on an inspired tangent,,,, Seems relevant though.

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A Bad Joke by Dr. Jim Rosen ©2020 Dr. Jim Rosen I just heard a bad joke. It’s got to be a joke, because things like this don’t really happen, do they? I spoke with a woman who I’ll call Sharon. Sharon has been treated for years by a medical doctor for severe headaches caused by stress. The headaches are so severe that she has even been hospitalized for them. Stress is certainly psychological. So has her medical doctor ever recommended psychological treatment? No. It’s also relevant that Sharon was severely abused as a child, both sexually and physically, by her mother and stepfather. Did she tell her physician? Yes. Did he recommend psychological treatment then? No. Instead he responded by giving her more medication. What happened to this woman is no joke, and the need for appropriate treatment is no joke either.

ACIM quote about joy I want to record this quote I just ran across- This is how He keeps the Kingdom perfectly consistent and perfectly unified. 7 Remember, however, that what the Holy Spirit rejects the ego accepts. 8 This is because they are in fundamental disagreement about everything, being in fundamental disagreement about what you are. 9 The ego's beliefs on this crucial issue vary, and that is why it promotes different moods. 10 The Holy Spirit never varies on this point, and so the one mood He engenders is joy. 11 He protects it by rejecting everything that does not foster joy, and so He alone can keep you wholly joyous. Somewhere in ACIM it states that the only 2 authentic attitudes are either peace or joy and that all other attitudes are egoic. This is my paraphrasing and so the actual quote My be a little different in wording. The above quote kinda backs up the one I've been quoting from memory. I'm sure I'll run across it again and I'll be sure to mark it. Just watched Leo's latest video about life purpose. I've stated before that cultivating the Science of Idiotism may be my life purpose. I don't know, though. Don't seem to be cultivating it in a big way as yet. It would fall under a larger umbrella ( life purpose) of being a fairly steady student/practitioner of The Fourth Way. I've never written about the 3 lines of work in The Fourth Way because I was afraid it would be perceived as cultish. Here it is, though - First line of work - Work on oneself; I can only work and transform myself. I can't change others,,,, Second line of work- Work with others; I can possibly be of help to others in some way for them working on themselves Third line of work - Work for the Work; This would be a personal effort in passing on clean practices and information regarding the work. Possibly having a global worldview,,, Conscious circle of humanity is a phrase that's used,,,?‍♂️ Maybe I'll discover another Life purpose in the future. That's a possibility,,,

http://humanityhealing.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/The-Cerebellum-and-the-Alta-Major.pdf Its distinctly the sound of crickets that I've heard for the last 3 years.

T-6.V.C.6. You learn first that having rests on giving, and not on getting. 2 Next you learn that you learn what you teach, and that you want to learn peace. 3 This is the condition for identifying with the Kingdom, since it is the condition of the Kingdom. From - https://acourseinmiraclesnow.com/course-miracles-chapter-6-v-lessons-holy-spirit/

According to A Course In Miracles- YES! It says just that. I'm looking for an exact quote now,,,

Sacred Clowns https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heyoka

I've been going over the difference between being Awakened, being Realized, and being Enlightened. According to the Almaas Material. I take the term Self Remembering, as it's used in the Fourth Way as an equivalent to these, in a sense. Also, Fulasnitamnian awareness as Gurdjieff termed 'Three Centered Awareness' in Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson. Most of my reading has been in the two links below although I ran across these 2 excerpts and decide to copy and paste them. Many Capacities are Needed to Work Through the Personality and Its Patterns First of all, you need energy, energy to work on yourself and work through the personality and its patterns. Energy is the sense that you have the capacity, the strength, the courage to do something about it, about yourself, about your life... Another factor is determination. Without determination, the energy will be meaningless. You need steadfast determination and an unwavering will to go on, to continue in the face of discouragement and disappointment. The determination is what pushes you, what makes you persist. It is important to understand the personality issues around will and determination: what the issues are that make you feel frustrated, that stop your determination, that block your will, that stop you from feeling, "yes, I will do it"... Another factor that comes into the picture is a sense of lightness about the whole thing, a sense of joyousness. It is a specific kind of joyousness, a specific kind of lightness, a specific kind of the light. The delight and the joyfulness are the actual work itself. It is a delight in the truth, delight in seeing and experiencing the truth. It is a little like curiosity -- a joyful curiosity about things... The next factor needed to prepare ourselves for the perception of the experience of liberation is that of compassionate kindness. It is a very important necessary quality. You need kindness for yourself because the process is difficult. Since you're not liberated, it is natural that you will suffer, so why push yourself in a way that you'll suffer more? Why beat yourself up if you make a mistake? The factor of kindness also brings a quality of trust in yourself, trust in the process, a kind of trust in your mind, in your Essence... Another factor necessary in this work is peacefulness: the ability to be silent, the capacity to be still, not always in activity and noise. Stillness of the mind. In order to recognize true liberation you must have this capacity for stillness or peacefulness because liberation is so fleeting... The next factor which is needed is the capacity to be absorbed in something, to be totally absorbed with whatever you are doing, in whatever state happens to be there. You become so one-pointed in your experience that you become completely involved in it, and so involved that you are dissolved in it. This is a certain kind of relationship to experience, a certain capacity, a certain freedom from the personality... The seventh and last factor of liberation is awakening, the capacity to be awake in your experience. We talked about the capacity to be absorbed in your experience; there is also the capacity to actually be awake, to be aware. You are so aware that you feel as if you have just awakened. There is a feeling of light all around you. Diamond Heart Book Two, pg. 5 Endless Realization Our potential is infinite, inexhaustible; hence there is always realization after any realization. You'll have all kinds of experiences, states, and conditions that may feel like an ultimate state of realization, but then that too keeps changing. In my understanding, the truest state of realization is that in which whenever you realize something, no matter what it is, you go beyond it. The moment you say this is it, you will get stuck with a concept, and tomorrow there will be something else. So the true state of realization is more of a lack of attachment to realization. Diamond Heart Book Five, pg. 78 Excerpts about enlightenment- https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/enlightenment Excerpts about realization - https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/realization

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An Electrifying Analogy Sometimes I run on AC (alternating current). People will draw near and I pull away and after a time I approach for a form of close connection with them and then they pull away. When I'm running on D.C., everything is the same with no roller coaster effect, power surges, or blown fuses.There is no neediness or deficient emptiness. It's no longer me having a good day or bad day. Instead the Witness watches the Automaton have a good day or bad day. In a way the days, they are same - same.

Maurice Nicoll on INTENTIONAL SUFFERING from Gems Of Wisdom “Now self-observation is very harsh and becomes more harsh. If done sincerely it will hurt. But it lets light in and stops all sorts of rank weeds from growing within, and amongst them all the strange growths due to internal considering and self-pity and song-singing. And then at last we begin to see what it means that a man must realize that he is nothing beforehecanexpecttobesomething.”V.1,p.259 INTENTIONAL SUFFERING II “You may often say you are to blame for something, but if someone agrees with you, it is startling and you feel offended. Yes, we easily pretend we are wrong. But to see it, direct and unmistakeable, in one- self, is pain. This is real, and so useful, suffering, for all real suffering purifies the emotions.” V. 1, p. 166 INTENTIONAL SUFFERING III “I have found nothing flattering in this teaching. There is nothing flattering, for axample, in being told that we are machines that have no Real ‘I’, that we are nothing but pictures of ourselves, that what we call ‘I’ is nothing but imagination, that we have no Real Will, that we are a mass of contradictions which we do not notice owing to hav- ing so many buffers and different forms of padding, that we are not conscious yet, and so on...All awakening has a sour taste—like going back to school.” V. 3, p. 825 INTENTIONAL SUFFERING IV “A man must suffer from his observation of himself, but never become negative.” V. 3, p. 1203 SELF-SATISFACTION “Try to see what you are resting on, all of you. Try to see the basis of your self-satisfaction. You will understand that unless this basis is com- pletely broken up there can be no change of being.” V. 1, p. 338 SELF-SATISFACTION II “As regards the remark that this Work is selfish, you must all under- stand that this Work . . . is something that destroys your self-compla- cency, your selfishness, your self-esteem, your fantasies about yourself, your pictures of yourself and, in short, your False Personality. It makes you see yourself naked—makes you see that you have to do some- thing about yourself before you try to help other people.” V. 3, p. 849 SUFFERING ONE’S SELF “When I am in that state of insight I will continually suffer from myself—from Nicoll and his mechanical reactions. Then I will in a certain sense have to endure this external, mechanical, reacting person that hitherto I have taken as myself but which the Work has gradu- ally shown me I must separate from.” V. 2, p. 644 //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Another excerpt from http://fourthwayschool.org/principles1.html The Work says that one is willing to give up anything but suffering; it is the last thing one wants to lose. But we must give up our unnecessary suffering. There is some suffering that it is necessary to endure, voluntary suffering. ///////////////////////////////////////////////// Ocke de Boer from - http://www.higherbeingbodies.com/a-dialogue-with-ocke.html Ocke: Remorse will bring conscious suffering. This is to see and feel your own mechanical behaviour or negativity and seeing you can’t do anything about it. Conscious suffering will bring the Work deeper in you and therefore will increase your being so that conscience can speak. It will give a constant and unflagging need to work and enable you to pass the first threshold. Conscious suffering is the medicine to make the Automaton surrender to the Permanent Witness. The Automaton is an instrument. The Permanent Witness has to learn how to use it. This process comes into being with man number four.

Some direct students of Gurdjieff used the term 'conscious suffering', instead of intentional suffering. I'm looking for the verification now or later today. When i was a kid, we sang these songs at Church. When I hear these songs, I can have 2 or more opinions usually. This is a bunch of horseshit. What was I thinking? Asks prepersonal and conditioned personal. When heard with allegory and metaphor, they are beautiful. Say's transrational while the ego is, at least for a while, temporarily shattered. Or sometimes with the ego as servant, in a way. Sometimes it's the Witness only who sees and who has absolutely no opinions. Would that be both paradoxical and ironic also that most who sing this song do so with the literal in mind? The transrational can also say objectively, with sincerity and without passion- "This is a bunch of horseshit". This seems more paradoxical maybe.

Only knowledge and understanding can consume desires" Martin says. This is a good follow up to his Conscious Labors and intentional suffering podcast. He's has some tough news for a lot of people.

Purifying the emotional center Watching Arnold Keyserling give a talk years ago, there was one thing he said that really stuck with me. This goes along with the Fourth Way practice of not expressing negative emotion. NOTE: This doesn't mean repressing! In fact, one should feel everything maybe even more fully, but just not give expression to it if it involves negative emotion. Easier said than done. Arnold said that if you can go through the cycle of Mars, (2 years) and not express outward any negative emotion, you will never again take anything in a negative way for the rest of this life!

Reincarnation framed as Cosmic Bowling Arnold Keyserling made the case that basically the 12 potentials of the Zodiac are to be actualized and mastered in a series of lifetimes. After which, eternal existence is only then assured. Not surprisingly, very similar to Gurdjieff's notion that just because we're born, eternal life is not a guarantee. I like that Leo used a quote from Don Juan Matus in his last video regarding Controlled folly in relation to fulfilling one's life purpose. Arnold Keyserling used the same phrase here in describing his notion/theory about attaining immortality. Keyserling- "You must choose to use all twelve of the basic potentials, both in language and in life, when the opportunity is presented by life. Otherwise, they will remain latent. These potentials do not automatically grow. They require choice and intentional efforts. First, your language must become holistic and coherent. To make sense of your life you have to make sense in your speech. The twelve basic concepts presented in the chart above are the keys to making sense. You have to learn to use these concepts in your speech, your language. Then, eventually, you will learn to master these conceptual cluster-words in a three step process: apprentice, companion, master. This mastery of language allows for mastery of the human faculties which they represent. This means mastery of the full human capacities in controlled actions, or as Don Juan said, "Controlled Folly". Both learning processes - language and life - must go hand in hand. One without the other will not allow for full development. Words alone are hollow. Life alone is incomprehensible. Only both - language and action - allow you to actualize these potential powers. With both you can integrate them into your being, and thereby make sense of life. You can walk your talk. You fully master the twelve time potentials in a three step process. First, you learn them. Next, you learn them even better by acting them out. Finally, you master them after you have taught them to others. In the final Master teaching stage the Self can merge with the Sun. The Self then can become radiating, full of life giving light. But, until all nine of the potentials are integrated, and the whole potential of your Being is realized, you will be submitted to reincarnation. As Keyserling says, you will be stuck in the "cosmic game of bowling". Only when all of your pins, your potential, have been set up and mastered, can you survive the inevitable black ball of death." from - http://www.chanceandchoice.com/course-overview/time-cycles/ He makes the case that the nine potentials of the Enneagram are basically key and the other three have to do with those life plans which have to do with playing a larger historical role in a particular lifetime. I' ve paraphrased some so, grain of salt,,,,,