Zigzag Idiot

I wasn’t calling you immature. Only the first sentence pertained to you and I didn’t identify you. You just outed yourself. Chill out,,,, watch a You tube and try to get some sleep.

@Chance Cunningham I deal with insomnia a bit myself. I posted this poem in my journal recently by one of my favorite philosophers, Arnold Keyserling. Sharing it because I thought it relevant to the title of this thread, Sorrow No one would make the decisive step without sorrow and doubt. But taking that step has nothing to do with sadness. It is shed like the skin of a snake. The darkness is able to generate the right reason, one more difficult, but also better, than the next. But it will not always be so. Some day love will shine upon you. Then sorrow will simply be the undertone of the resulting harmony. The path is there from the very beginning. Sometimes it is easier, sometimes harder. But one thing is essential: the depth emerges from the strength of sorrow. Without sorrow there is no course; without the course the path is not passable. Mourn – not over the self – but over what is yet to be done. Each day brings further sorrows, and eventually you will reach the original cause of sorrow. Then you can finally begin the ascent back. Rejoice in your sorrow, for the darkness will not remain with you much longer.

A friend I recently shared my journal with just told me how phony I am. So I share this opinion with you,,,, Chance and Choice - A Compendium of Ancient and Modern Wisdom Revealing the Meaning and Significance of the Myth of Science. It was co-written by Austrian Philosopher and Professor, Arnold Keyserling -- a student of George Gurdjieff and Ramana Maharishi -- and by Keyserling's student and long time friend, R.C.L., now an attorney in the U.S. From the introduction of Chance and Choice “Wisdom is the ability to live coherently in a chaotic world.”,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,, The Path of Wisdom essentially has four steps: (1) know your body, (2) create your energy body, (3) create your meaning in life, and (4) participate in a global network of friends where your meaning can be fulfilled in history. ,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,, A word of caution here, don't be too intellectual or take yourself too seriously, have fun with this material, play with it as a kind of "glass bead game". People who are too serious are not really mature. http://www.chanceandchoice.com/course-overview/introduction/

I’m still reading Eye of the Heart by Cynthia Bourgeault. It’s about the Causal Realm and our relation to it as well as our potential relation to as she terms it, imaginal causality. Using Gurdjieffs ‘Hydrogens’ and The Ray of Creation I’ve already mentioned that she identifies the ‘Kingdom’ as being World 24. Interesting table she gives here in Her new book. Jim Marion’s Putting on the Mind of Christ has many inspirational passages regarding specific states of consciousness which relate to the causal realm. It seems kind of funny that he places a full non dual state as being above Christ consciousness. I’m getting too many books going at once which I’m prone to do. I’d forgotten Marion’s mention of Yogananda here. I’ve just began a re-read of Yogananda’s Autobiography of a Yogi. It’s more than just interesting,,, I feel like a hypocrite reading such high minded books considering that I’m a rather coarse individual. I need all the good influences I can get though.

A few of Bruno Martin’s comments regarding the Science of Idiotism in which #1 - Ordinary Idiot correlates with The Fool of the Tarot.

@Advocate Excuse me for throwing it out there as an absolute truth that you should immediately believe. Sometimes that’s just how my enthusiasm manifests. Youre right in that it is something that sounds far out. Maybe I should possibly categorize it as esoteric in category. Gurdjieff never attributed the knowledge of the enneagram with personality types but he did correlate the enneagram with what he called the law of 3 and the law of octaves aka law of 7. To confuse things even more he sometimes referred to it as the law of nine foldedness. You may find it interesting or maybe not. Have fun though,,, ?

Thanks @MuadDib ? I appreciate the quotes,,,, Learning Your Way Out of a Problem by Dr. Jim Rosen ©2021 Dr. Jim Rosen When you want to overcome a problem and you want to grow and learn, you can do it by applying four steps. Your awareness is the first step. You become an observer of yourself; you take notice, and become aware each time the particular problem comes to the surface. The problem may express itself in your emotions (e.g., anxiety, guilt, anger, insecurity), or it may show up as depression and physical symptoms, or it may come out in conflicts with a loved one. The second step isresponsibility. This is where you look in the psychological mirror and realize that the problem belongs to you. You are its rightful owner. While it's not a matter of "blame," responsibility means that the source of the problem is within you. Acceptance comes next. You practice accepting yourself as a whole person. Having the problem doesn't make you bad or unworthy; it just means that you’re human, and the problem is a mistake to be corrected. And now it's time to make a conscious choice, the fourth step. You stay focused on your personal radar screen. When the problem expresses itself, you notice it, and you make the conscious decision and the conscious effort to respond differently. Then each time the problem begins to appear, you have another opportunity to practice what you’re learning.

@Advocate Great Observation you’ve made! You’ve spotted the mi fa gap in the law of Octaves also called the law of seven. It’s one of the most overlooked, deeper truths concerning the enneagram. It dictates why people often enthusiastically undertake aims only to become disinterested after a time and also why under mechanical influences ( just going on autopilot) our lives just tend to go in circles without progressing. Although often overlooked, with some google searches and some digging around, information can be found. http://cwe.hagut.net/the-law-of-seven-or-the-law-of-octave/ http://www.katinkahesselink.net/sufi/G2Enneagram.html https://bepresentfirst.com/the-law-of-seven/ I just randomly gathered these links. You may find a source you like better with a search done on your own.

My interpretation of the material from the Ridhwan School is that the gift of full integration finds one able to fully be at home with oneself and ones understanding. Egoic identifications and attachments are let go of and metabolised with one's natural essential aspects,,, Probably excessive pasting of quotes and tmi ,,,, please excuse me Being a Human Being and Still Being the Absolute The development of consciousness has to do with living in this life from the perspective of the Absolute. The Personal Essence, the Pearl Beyond Price, has to do with being a human being and still being the Absolute. If you’re just the Absolute, you are not a human being. But you live in this world, you have a physical body and a mind, you have work and relationships. You need the Personal Essence in order to be able to live personally as a human being and still be the Absolute. So the development of the personal aspect has to do with integrating all of these things that are important for our life into the various levels of consciousness, and then into the Absolute. This is an actual process that has to do with the metabolism of the Absolute into the Personal Essence. Although it is rarely mentioned in spiritual literature, the integration of the person into the Absolute is vital because we live in the world and not in a monastery or cave. Integrating the person into the Absolute is more difficult than experiencing the Absolute. Integration requires that you deal with and metabolize your unconscious and your personal history. You have to really let all of the unconscious come out, to face all of your specific issues and areas of conflict and ignorance. Many traditions don’t care about integration but strive only to reach the Absolute. They don’t care about the personal life. The point for them is to know the Absolute and leave. In other traditions, and in our work, the point is to know the Absolute and live in the world as an expression of it. So how can you live a human life from the perspective of absence? That is the realm of development, change, and transformation within consciousness. Diamond Heart Book Five, pg. 145 is Possible to Experience Egoless Beingness Thus it is possible to experience egoless beingness, to be, as a substantial presence that is not a mental construct, and still live a human, personal life, in which love, work, knowledge, creativity and accomplishment make sense, a human sense. This true existence, this presence, this being beyond time that makes sense of human and personal life, is the Personal Essence. It is the reality of which ego is only a reflection. It is the truly integrated and developed human being. This is the beautiful presence that the traditional literature of work schools calls the “pearl beyond price.” The experience of universal impersonality of ultimate reality occurs when the separate individuality is transcended, when the separate individuality is seen not to be our true self. But this is the result of transcending the personality in its totality. Something different happens when we investigate the personality’s manifestations in more detail, exploring the hidden essential truth within it. The ego is a reflection of this true element of Being, the Personal Essence, and exploring the characteristics of the reflection can lead us to the reality being reflected. By isolating and understanding the elements of the false, we can begin to approach the elements of the real. Pearl Beyond Price, pg. 32 The Essential Structure that the Soul Develops as She Metabolizes and Transcends her Ego Structure The pearl can also be seen as the essential structure that the soul develops as she metabolizes and transcends her ego structure. Ego structure gives the ego-self the sense of being an autonomous and unique individual. But this structure is constructed through fixed mental impressions in the soul; hence it both dissociates her from her essential ground and limits her development because of its rigidity and fixation. The essential pearl provides the soul with a sense of individuality and personhood that does not depend on fixed impressions, but on spontaneously arising forms of essential presence that structure her experience of herself and give her the capacity to function as a person. The soul matures and transforms into a person of essence. However, the qualities and actions of this person are quite fluid and flexible and are objective responses resonant to the needs and inputs of the environment. The Inner Journey Home, pg. 223 The Pearl is the Actualized Individuation of Your Soul When you are who you are, when you are just precisely yourself, you are your “point.” Just that. This has nothing to do with any qualities, functions, capacities, and skills you may have. It has nothing to do with your status in the world, and nothing to do with living this life in a body or not in a body. It is your nature. The Pearl Beyond Price is the connection between this genuine center and all the capacities, skills, and understanding that are a part of your growth as a human being. It allows your capacities, functions and accomplishments to develop in a genuine way as an outgrowth of your spontaneous unfoldment. It is the result of living in the moment, living in a way that is true to who you are. This is your genuine personal life, your own development, your own growth. The pearl is the actualized individuation of your Soul. So the personal essence is connected with your unique function, your unique work in this life. To actualize your particular unique work in this life means to be your personal essence. It is the essence of all that you have developed and integrated in your soul as you live a real life. Everyone is born with the true self, with the point. Although we feel that the point is unique in each of us, the quality of the point is universal. Then how do people become so different in their personal lives? This is due to the particular development of their personal essence. From- https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/pearl-beyond-price

From the Gospel of Thomas Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]." 70. Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

Consulted the Oracle just now. Received only one hexagram-

This morning I observed myself to be loaded up heavy with negative, nasty, angry thoughts. I wrote the following on a piece of notebook paper and thumbtacked it on the side of my house early today, where the driveway is. My diplomacy in regards to establishing healthy boundaries is not very polished at all. That’s pretty obvious. I feel fortunate though that I had this option today. Of just being a recluse and avoiding saying anything negative and reactive to someone. Anytime I speak out in anger or discontent, I always regret it later. I didn’t have to go to a job or take care of responsibilities that involved being around people today and for that I’m fortunate. That pissy inner dialogue is all gone this evening. It left about mid-day. As far as I know, there were no unexpected visitors to read my rude, crudely made sign. I took it down late in the day but saved it in case I need it again. I would just rather not be around people when I’m emotionally off balance. I’m grateful to be back to feeling lighthearted this evening. This is just how it goes with me sometimes. I notice that people tend to mellow out more the older they get, as a rule and I believe that applies to me as well. When younger, I was most always wound up pretty tight. A heavy pain body as Eckart Tolle would say. Observing and strategizing to avoid compounding a problem. The inner conflict got started last night late. Just some mechanical negativity followed by a vague guilt. That old monkey that gets on my back unnoticed and usually by then my degree of being or state of consciousness is already in decline. Sometimes a deep sleep cycle does the job or other times a few hours of physical labor does the trick in returning to emotional balance.

" If you could float above the earth and become aware of all the negativity that is going on, you would never laugh again. The world is ruled by negative emotions." - Ocke de Boer " I hate to bother God. Sometimes when I'm drunk I Pray to Judas instead of that little skinny Jew" - Gurdjieff

@fridjonk If you were working out of a front end loader bucket raised all the way up, I know what you’re talking about. Doesn’t take much for a front tire to roll over to create a huge sway 15-18 feet in the air. Not the best place to be running a chainsaw or power tools. Makes life exciting,,,huh In his blog @Leo Gura states “PURE INFINITY. It is so perfectly self-aware that it does not even have a form. At this point you become the 100% Godhead. There is no more life, no more death, no more world, no more people or other beings. You rest as absolute ONENESS & LOVE, FOREVER. It is a degree of enlightenment so total that it deletes the entire universe. Only near this point do you finally understand what reality/God really is. LOVE.” This reminds me of Gary Renard’s book. Gary has been a longtime student/Teacher in A course In Miracles.

@ted73104 There's a wide mixture as you can imagine. Many of these websites have the distinct smell of fundamentalists trying to insert doubt. This particular site from a Gnostic standpoint isn't bad- http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html. If you’re possibly interested books, I highly recommend these two for former christians who have been disillusioned by fundamentalists dogma and lunacy — The Wisdom Jesus by Cynthia Bourgeault God Is Dissappointed In You by Mark Russell As bad as this sounds it’s an accurate yet highly irreverent and hilarious paraphrasing of the Bible. A paraphrasing by Mark Russell of logia 102 from The Gospel of Thomas - “Don’t worry too much about what the outside of the cup looks like, You only drink what’s inside.” “Do not let fundamentalists come between you and God’s Love. They are like dogs guarding a cow’s trough. They protect food they don’t eat from animals who are starving.”

@ted73104 I agree about the cult of fundamentalists,,,, I was just yanking on their chain a little. Didn’t the Jews kind of shit on JC also in the long run and call him a delusional visionary? I abandoned fundamentalist ‘churchianity’ but have found good things in the Gospel of Thomas as well as ACIM. A Jesus who teaches being nonjudgmental, forgiving, peaceful and overlooking others transgressions. Like an older brother who says just live and let live. This is not a Jesus that wants to be worshipped,,,,

I would ask God why he needed to let his boy Jesus get nailed to the cross like some kind of Cosmic scapegoat. And then say it was for my sinfulness. I wasn't even born yet. That just makes no damn sense at all.

Sounds good to me!

@ted73104 Excuse me, but God told me to quote Cynthia Bourgeault . Also, she, that is God, said being is the key word here. The repetitive motion of finding oneself through Identification (even true and worthy descriptions) keeps the being energy just below the critical velocity needed to escape the gravitational field of narrative selfhood.” - Cynthia Bourgeault Just doing as I was told. Respectfully, Zigzag Idiot.

There's a joke thats told among carpenters. Someone will say that if they ever fall out of an airplane that hopefully they would be holding on to an air hose or an extension cord because the damn things are always going to hang up on something,,,,,. @MuadDib mentioning his becoming reinterested in skydiving made me think of that. My fear of heights has grown as I've gotten older. In 2013, I reroofed one of our old barns and climbing to the breathtaking height of 18-20 feet gave me panic attacks. At the time I had a 2 cd set of Rumi that was read by Coleman Barks. Playing it as I went about my carpentry seemed to help a little bit. Still on the subject of me being nervous and highstrung. That weighted blanket I bought the other day seems to really be helping me get better sleep. The last couple of nights anyhow. If you , the reader, have trouble with insomnia. I recommend trying one. The weight in the one I have comes from tiny glass beads that are sewn in between the layers of the blanket. It feels like sleeping under an armoured vest. Amphetamines have always had a calming effect on me. (Except when used heavily, as I recently discovered, unfortunately), The calming affect has caused me to speculate that I probably could have been diagnosed as either add or adhd in childhood. In addition to my self-diagnosis as an adult of being on the autism spectrum. A few people who know me well are possibly vigorously nodding in agreement,,, The trouble is ,, my age. Asperger's and ADHD diagnoses were not being made when I was a kid. It's probably a good thing. Chances are I would have played up being an unfortunate victim of those maladies and rode them for all they were worth. Doing this might have prevented all those wonderful episodes in my life that were referred to as being of a character building nature. Not that I've really ended up with all that much character, either, as it's turned out. Oh well,,, Enough with all this self absorbtion. Time to read or to make some remarks on the forum until sleep overcomes me. Goodnight,,,