Zigzag Idiot

My know it all face is a part of the dilemma. My conditioned self wrapping itself to essence. Spiritual hijacking. Taking "credit" for states of Consciousness. The self importance tied to self image. Identification to internalized images. Internalized images that ego structures are built off of. So the necessity of becoming aware of ,,, and dying to these ego structures.

Good point about people's attention being hijacked. Having distracted, drawn, or dispersed attention = spiritual sleep.

Yes, very much And the differing of meaning between forgiveness as blue evangelicals view it and Realization as 2nd teir individuals experience it is huge. To not have grievances,,, as Jesus channeled through Helen, refers to it

Excellent point just made on ego by Joesph Maynor. I'm glad it was brought up. Ive got discussing type 6 on my mind. My chief feature, fear. The nature of chief feature is its illusiveness in absolute discovery. There's differing opinions on this, but type is often related to chief feature. Type 6 is divided into phobic or counter-phobic. interupted,,,,

Well, here I go again,,, just a few minutes ago when I replied to the post by Winter, I thought I was on a thread out in the General discussion. I realize there is maybe a need for bit more space for one another in this section and I recently concluded that I need to give others more space here. That was my intention anyway. Not paying attention to where I was showed to me that I wasn't being mindful. So,, I messed up a little,,, since I'm outing myself I'll add that I'm a chaotic thinker. I'm not an orderly or organized thinker. My composition is laughable sometimes also. Laughable or pitiful. Anyway,,, By the way, I'm open to comments and questions.

After finally finishing A Course in Miracles earlier this year, I came to view forgiveness as a nondual reset button. Most of western culture / cultural ego it seems overlooks or looks down on the idea of being forgiving. It's not cool or very sexy. I got my fill of doing the daily lessons but I truly enjoy the main text of the book. It's something that I will read and re-read for the rest of my life.

I appreciate the refreshing honesty of people 'outing' themselves. Ive noted that some contrast humbleness to pride and some contrast it to vanity. In his autobiography Benjamin Franklin despaired over controlling what he called pride and wrote that if he ever succeeded in being humble, he would probably be proud of his humility.

I have respect and empathy for other warriors. For several years I read Castenada for inspiration. You think about yourself too much and that gives you a strange fatigue that makes you shut off the world around you and cling to your arguments. A light and amenable disposition is needed in order to withstand the impact and the strangeness of the knowledge I am teaching you. Feeling important makes one heavy, clumsy, and vain. To be a man of knowledge one needs to be light and fluid. My acts are sincere but they are only the acts of an actor because everything I do is controlled folly. Everything I do in regard to myself and my fellow men is folly, because nothing matters. Certain things in your life matter to you because they're important; your acts are certainly important to you, but for me, not a single thing is important any longer, neither my acts nor the acts of any of my fellow men. I go on living though, because I have my will. Because I have tempered my will throughout my life until it's neat and wholesome and now it doesn't matter to me that nothing matters. My will controls the folly of my life. Once a man learns to see he finds himself alone in the world with nothing but folly. Your acts, as well as the acts of your fellow men in general, appear to be important to you because you have learned to think they are important. We learn to think about everything, and then we train our eyes to look as we think about the things we look at. We look at ourselves already thinking that we are important. And therefore we've got to feel important! But then when a man learns to see, he realizes that he can no longer think about the things he looks at, and if he cannot think about what he looks at everything becomes unimportant. Everything is equal and therefore unimportant. We need to look with our eyes to laugh. When our eyes see, everything is so equal that nothing is funny. My laughter, as well as everything I do is real but it also is controlled folly because it is useless; it changes nothing and yet I still do it. One must always choose the path with heart in order to be at one's best, perhaps so one can always laugh.

My path of Inquiry by its nature is offensive when articulated to others. Personality is pretty much synonymous with ego. American culture in general idealizes big personalities for the most part. Realizing the nothingness of Personality is offensive to people identified with personality. Actually my path is the cafeteria model but for the most part is Fourth way Self observation and Self Remembering. Blending with Diamond Approach work. ICHING for taking clues from the Cosmos , 20 minute Centering Prayer twice a day. One thing that I'm trying to keep underneath everything is what Gurdjieff called Kundabuffer. To me it seems like it deserves that degree of significance. A formula that makes sense to me Kundalini energy = Chi = Prana + absence of discipline = motorfuel for imagination and self deception Kundalini energy / Prana + 3 centered awareness = Higher Consciousness / Objective Reason 3 Centered Awareness is Intellect and feeling working in harmony, grounded through the human body.

I was looking for the thread for Red stage examples to post Dwight Yoakums character Doyle Hardgraves as an example. In the process of not finding one, I pondered about Billy Bob Thornton's character Karl Childers. Is the character Karl Childers stage blue? The character Linda seems blue-orange,,,,

@SQAAD @Nahm Shoot yeah!

Fourth way path Scottish physician Maurice Nicoll went and met with Carl Jung. Then he went and visited the Mystic Gurdjieff. He chose Gurdjieff over Jung as a Teacher. This is from his 1400 pages of Psychology Commentaries on The Teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky. Osho read it and gave it high praise and said it's a shame that it doesn't get read more. The essence of the idea of Karma-Yoga is to meet with unpleasant things equally with pleasant things. That is, in practicing Karma-Yoga, one does not seek always to avoid unpleasant things, as people ordinarily do. Life is to be met with non-identifying. When this is possible, life becomes one's teacher; in no other sense can life become a teacher, for life taken as itself is meaningless, but taken as an exercise it becomes a teacher. It is not life that is a teacher, but one's relation through non-identifying makes it become a teacher. Nothing can change being so much as this practice - namely, to take the unpleasant things in life as an exercise. (Maurice Nicoll, Commentaries, Vol. 1)

@Nahm pretty much

I agree On the other hand, Self Realized Beings aren't divided against themselves. Anything goes provided it doesn't violate Conscience.

Today I posted a YouTube of Ocke deBoer in the section on examples of Turquoise along with a couple of quotes of his. One of the quotes, I've realized could really cause others some confusion. The quote I'm referring to is: "This is the difference between us and the angels. Angels are perfectly made and, therefore, naive and stupid; they can only do what they are made for. Humans have many more possibilities. There is more joy in heaven for one perfected human being than for a thousand angels." I don't want to give the idea that Ocke embraces the idea of an an afterlife as blue level evangelical Christians do in an afterlife Heaven with a judgemental God. Ocke has studied Beelzebubs Tales for years. Basically Gurdjieff taught the 'Kingdom of Heaven' is within. Kingdom of Heaven synonymous with nondual consciousness....Just like Jesus really taught! There was a Cosmological side to the teaching and the idea of a purgatory and possibly eternal life so I can't say that Ocke believed only in the Idea of Kingdom of Heaven is within. The trouble with words,,,,, I like his irreverent sense of humor The other quote: "If you could float above the earth and become aware of all the negativity that is going on, you would never laugh again. The world is ruled by negative emotions."

I like the idea of synchronistic 'bleed thru's' or however you want to call it in finding profound meaning in movie and song. Maybe it is truly a wise, well read screenwriter or Song Writer. How often is the singer or actor letting the spirit of something higher than them, pour through them. Inspiration of the Muse,,,, Cate Blanchetts portrayal of Gladriel with Frodo in the scene of Lord of the Rings. Her refusal of power at the water pool. How can you watch her portray this passing a test of temptation and not be deeply moved. Of course apart from all the special effects. Her subtle gestures and how they communicate. Just good acting and nothing more? Or is the Muse at work on the day of filming?.. The resisting of temptation,,, refusal of power ,,so many elements come together delivering a message deep into ones being. Transrational,,,,deep wisdom of nonviolence

Please excuse me for not explaining myself better. I meant it as a right brain abstract thing. I guess, too abstract,,, In the lyrics of their song they keep referring to the yellow that they see. Connected with their emotional tone. and other hints in the song. It was meant to be positive. Didn't aim at all to offend,,,,

I have a thick skull or a one track mind. To me this still points to 'aspects of essence'. Side note: Arnold Keyserling said Euclid was one of the greatest assholes in history because he invented arithmetic. I found the Humor in this because I can't do math at all beyond basic math.

I don't KNOW this. But evidence suggests to me when George Harrison, Bob Dylan and Tom Petty and Jeff Lynn got together and temporarily formed The Traveling Wilburys, on one of their extended weekend get-togethers they smoked something unique and all saw the same thing. Resulting in this song.

This sounds very similar to the Cosmological side of Gurdjieffs knowledge. He taught the 'Ray of Creation' descending from the Absolute on an octave of seven. Which is a basis for the law of seven that is also called the law of Octaves, displayed by the enneagram. I thought of this the other day when someone mentioned always having difficulty with a 'super effort' aim of no fap at a certain stage. This is telltale aspect of the law of seven. On the enneagram there is a space which relates to resistance against ones aim in time. Any aim. Knowing about this allows one to complete aims more often instead of going in a circle. Im going to stop here and ponder on all this.

Wow! I could barely follow you on some of that,,, but regarding some of what you summarized below, I've left my interpretation of what to me seems a close match. I also could be off in left field from what you're saying,,,, I do that a lot of times in my interpretations. Anyway, In following the Ridhwan School Diamond Approach on my own, my experience has matched some of what Hammed has written in his books. More so with the Psychological explanations than with the ontological experiences. Being is Presence. Presence is made of Being. Being is composed of Essence. Essence has qualitative aspects, flavors of essence /essential aspects- Strength, Compassion, Merging, Peace, Intelligence, Will, etc,,, I was going to do it in my oun words but have decided to use one of his Glossary quotes to finish my point so I can then ask, does this relate to your interpretation of Spinoza? Absorption of all Essential Aspects into the Personal Essence So the capacity to be without this ego sense of self eliminates selectivity in one’s personal experience of essential qualities, opening the consciousness to an unlimited range of qualities. The absence of inner selectivity due to cessation of the feeling of self, coupled with the openness to expansion due to disidentincation from ego inadequacy, allows a new possibility of realization. It makes it possible to complete the process of personalization of Essence, which is the absorption of all essential aspects into the Personal Essence, or the synthesis of all aspects into a personal presence. The essential aspects now constitute the very substance of the Personal Essence. One not only feels one is a full personal presence, but that this very same presence includes the presence of Love, Joy, Strength, Compassion, Merging, Peace, Intelligence, Will, Consciousness, etc. Aspects are simultaneously personalized, with their capacities and functions integrated. This is a condition of completeness, of an amazing degree of integration. One is full and firm, strong and soft, sweet and warm, and so on. One is a complete person. This does not mean that one’s personal presence from now on is always this complete state. It indicates that one is able to be present in this expanded state of Being. The Personal Essence is an organic and fluid presence; there is no rigidity in it at all. All its states, through the whole process of its realization and development, are available to it now, manifesting according to the situation. Practically, this realization allows the capacity to be personal in any of the essential aspects, or any combination of them, depending on the demands of the situation. The complete state of the Personal Essence brings a perception of one’s presence as preciousness, beauty and regality. It is no wonder that the Personal Essence is called in some stories, the Princess Precious Pearl. Pearl Beyond Price, pg. 391

Cynthia Bourgeault gives great instructions on the practice of Centering Prayer In the spiritual circles I've traveled through. No one seems to appreciate Ocke deBoer the way I do. In this interview Iain Mcnay doesn't seem to get Ocke at all. I'll admit that in this interview, Ocke is not very articulate but I think it's because English is not his primary language. His two books HIGHER BEING BODIES and TWO SOULS are treasures to me. Two quotes from HIGHER BEING BODIES "If you could float above the earth and become aware of all the negativity that is going on, you would never laugh again. The world is ruled by negative emotions." "This is the difference between us and the angels. Angels are perfectly made and, therefore, naive and stupid; they can only do what they are made for. Humans have many more possibilities. There is more joy in heaven for one perfected human being than for a thousand angels." From Paul Beekmans review of HIGHER BEING BODIES There is much more in his work to recommend in a brief review. For me I found refreshing the fact that Ocke makes work on oneself appear a potential source of pleasure. As he proclaims; "Absence of joy is slow suicide." Nothing could stir one's appetite to work on the self more than this statement. Understanding his own joy so transparent in his work, is the most persuasive reason to read his book. The book contains many other "homey" statements of this sort that speak well to the reader who is not deep into Gurdjieff's language. For example, Ocke suggests how to put meat on the skeleton of consciousness. He would free his reader from the prison of identification. He contrasts the head brain's radiation with the heart brain's emanation. He tells us the difference between inner and outer memory. the solar soul that can be developed over the lunar body that is destined to dust. This is finally. a book written by one who knows and cares for those who care but do not know yet how to work on themselves.

Being is an Existence, a Suchness Being means no reaction, no mental activity that defines who or what one is. In fact, Being is not an activity at all; it is an existence, a suchness, a thereness, a Presence that is not doing anything to be there. Since Being is itself existence, it does not need the mind to be there. It is like a physical object, which does not need the activity of mind to exist. Pearl Beyond Price, pg. 57 I picked one of the shorter excerpts. There are some other excerpts about 'Being' that are longer and are really rich. https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/being

I've never looked into Spinoza but from what you said, I'm reminded of Ken Wilburs mention of the Causal realm. Modern day Christian mystic Cynthia Bourgeault has used the term Imaginal realm. The Imaginal/ Causal realm,,, Hanna Moog and Carol Anthony with their revised ICHING-The Oracle Of The Cosmic Way writes about the realm of the atom as the realm of Consciousness and manifestation,,,,,