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Zigzag Idiot replied to kieranperez's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Ackashic records - Kesdjan (Astral) body of the earth From Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson: page 293-294 “A Teleoghinoora is a materialized idea or thought which after its arising exists almost eternally in the atmosphere of that planet on which it arises. “Teleoghinooras can be formed from such a quality of being-contemplation as only those three-brained beings have and can actualize, who have coated their higher being bodies in their presences and who have brought the perfecting of the Reason of their higher being part up to the degree of the sacred ‘Martfotai.’ “And the sequential series of being-ideas, materialized in this way, concerning any given event, are called ‘Korkaptilnian thought tapes.’ “It seems that the said Korkaptilnian thought tapes concerning the history of the arising of the learned society Akhaldan were, as I found out much later, deliberately fixed by a certain ‘Eternal Individual,’ Asoochilon, now a saint, who became coated in the common presence of a three-brained being named Tetetos who arose on your planet on the continent of Atlantis and who had existed there four centuries before the second great ‘Transapalnianperturbation.’ “These Korkaptilnian thought tapes are never destroyed as long as the given planet exists, which is in what is called the ‘tempo of movement of the prime arising’; and they are subject to none of those transformations from any cosmic causes whatsoever to which all other cosmic substances and cosmic crystallizations are periodically subject. “And however long a time may have already passed, every three-brained being in whose presence there has been acquired the ability to enter into the being-state called ‘Soorptakalknian contemplation’ can perceive and cognize the texts of these Korkaptilnian thought tapes. -
I underline a sentence or mark a paragraph. Then write the page # on the 2 or 3 blank pages at very end of most books. With one sentence description.
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Watched this today. Leo articulates how completely 'identified' we get. The necessity of thinking for oneself. Articulates 'identifying' with Internalized images. Without using the phrase Cultural consensus trance he articulates the Cultural concensus trance/spiritual sleep Presence of Being as Absolute Stillness Peace: It is not an emotional state or merely the absence of conflict; it is rather the presence of stillness, which is an aspect of Essence. It is the Presence of Being as absolute stillness and calmness. This stillness is not experienced as dull or vague, but as an exquisitely alive kind of consciousness. Peace involves the cessation of the torturous ego activity, with its hopes, and desires, efforts and resistances. That is why it is often equated with ego death. Peace is actually both death and life in the same consciousness. Pearl Beyond Price, pg. 313
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A piece of this mornings ICHING reading/divination. This a revised ICHING that removes Patriarchal dominance and endorses feeling as necessary for a true balanced intelligence. Notice the use of the term 'cultural ego'. http://hanna-moog.squarespace.com/books-more-1/i-ching-oracle I got hexagram 1 changing line 4 from changing line 4 - second hexagram of 9 from which the following excerpt was taken. I think there are free ebooks to be found, available for download
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This is an excellent ceremony for a group of friends, but can also be done alone. Mere curiosity will not bring you a profound experience of the primal powers. A real need and honest intent is necessary to unite matter and energy. If you are overwhelmed and disturbed by a cluster of problems, you might try this method to center yourself and call for cosmic assistance. With more experience you might add the other directions to the five discussed above and call all ten powers, adding the helpers of the SE, SW, NE and NW to the ceremony of the directions. Sincere utilization of this American ritual prior to a feast will transform a mundane party into a spiritual celebration that is uplifting to all. Drinking and talking before the ceremony is common to help you relax, but eating should wait until afterwards. Also from http://www.chanceandchoice.com/course-overview/global-consciousness/ Zigzag Idiot- Based on Lakota Calling of the 10 Directions (powers) Template for creating your own Spacial Ritual ,,,,
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In today's world, man and woman must become equal, so too must time and space. We can no longer afford to live in a male dominated society, nor one that is dominated by time over space. Everywhere we look we see clocks, they are even manacled to our wrists. But where are the compasses? The need for equality of space and time, the feminine and masculine powers, is confirmed by the scientific understanding of the necessary relationship between space and time. Einstein and other modern physicists proved that one cannot exist without the other, that time is relative and space is curved. Neither time nor space exist by themselves. In reality there is only the combination of both - space/time. So too, the dominance of "Father Time" over "Mother Earth" must now end. The long lost rituals of sacred space must be renewed. To regain the sacred dimension of space in our time we must look beyond the religious festivals and rituals we know. We must turn to the earliest shamanic cultures of the earth. From: http://www.chanceandchoice.com/course-overview/global-consciousness/ In Zigzag Idiots words- Integration of both hemispheres indigenous culture rituals - Marriage of the Lakota and the IChing ,,,,,, 10 Directions Ritual for opening up the vertical dimensions integrated with the four elements/functions of consciousness Scale of Being from Crystal-mineral-plant-animal- Human - Spiritual Ancestors-nature spirits-angels-muses-God E In the East, at Dawn the sun shines - heaven rises. It is the direction of renewal, of revelation and enlightenment by the spirit of creation. The Power of the East is Fire. In the I Ching it is the trigram of Awareness, the sign of heaven. W In the West at dusk the earth rises. Eventually you will lie down for sleep in a horizontal position. The whole body is in touch with the earth. You relinquish all worries and thoughts of the day. Letting go and becoming empty makes you receptive. In deep sleep you receive and integrate the germs of light from all suns in the Universe, the stars. Integrate here means affirming. The Power of the West is Crystals' letting go and affirming. The correspondence is with the I Ching trigram Willing, which is also the sign of the earth. The West will clarify the attitude of affirming your existence and task on earth. S South is midday. You need to shine as the sun at midday, to trust in yourself and others - to trust in Soul. You need the innocence of a child, forgetting the failures of the past. The spirit of the South bestows innocence and trust, attributes of plant-life trust in growth. In the course of the year the Southpoint is the winter equinox, the festival of the innocent child. The Power of the South is in plants, in Trees. In the I Ching the South is the trigram of Soul. N The North - thinking - relates us to the animal world, our teachers in strategy. The spirit of the North bestows wisdom and clarity, if our thinking surges from the polar star to merge again with its center. It is the wisdom in doing. Animals are the Power of the North. In the I Ching it is the trigram of Thinking. C Center/Down. If you direct your attention to the four directions, and also to front-back-left-right, you will necessary center yourself. Five signifies your centered self and that of all others who are centered. In the esoteric traditions humanity is always identified with the number five. Its Power is the Sacred Earth. There is no I Ching correspondence. Centered also means to be an axis between heaven and earth. But to become a co-creator of evolution you need the support of the spirits 6, 7, 8 and 9. SE Six are the teachers of humanity, the Ancestors who paved the spiritual path up to the present. They make for a continuity in spiritual evolution of human history. In the South East everyone can discover and establish contact with his or her ancestors. To a musician it might be the spirit of Bach, to a mathematician the ancestral link might be to Pythagoras, to others it might be Albert Schweitzer, Jesus Christ, Moses, or whoever gives you strength and understanding to follow your own path. The ancestor you find will include you in the spiritual family and link you to the "Golden Chain". They paved the way for your special work on earth. They do not give you directions, you create your own, but they give you strength to pioneer your new link in the chain. The Power of the South East is the Ancestors. The I Ching trigram is Spirit. SW Seven are the spirits of our physical world of incarnated existence: the Elementals. Here the elements - Earth, Air, Water and Fire - are part of our survival, our health, our daily activities and success. As with the seven chakras they represent our agents operating in three realms - Body, Soul and Spirit. On the dream level they are called Trolls - spirits of the soil (sensing) who maintain our existence; Dwarfs - spirits of the air (thinking) who help us to surmount obstacles; Fairies - spirits of the waters (feeling) who stimulate our power of wish and endeavor; Elves - spirits of fire (willing), of serenity and joy, who help us to celebrate life as a luminous dream. These Nature Spirits can give you courage to go forward into the unknown. The Power of the South West is the Nature Spirits and the trigram is Body. NW Eight is in our world the principal of underlying consistency in the midst of change. It is the grid or underlying structure in which change takes place. This is the structure which remains constant while all else changes. We feel this as a deep desire for harmony, for participation in a kind of infinite stability. The spirits of the North West have been defined as angels or cosmic helpers who bridge the finite and the infinite. We contact them to base our transitory actions on the underlying eternal laws and thereby generate harmony in ourselves and our surroundings. It is the Power of Angels and the trigram of Feeling. NE Nine are the Inspirers. They are the agents of change in the microcosm, the macrocosm, as well as in the human world of speech, action and experience. The combination of nine faculties generates all possible action and transformation. As Gurdjieff said, whoever understands the nine can do. The North East, which lies between the enlightening inspiration of the East and the wisdom of the North, conveys the ninefold actualizing inspiration by which we become co-creators in evolution. These inspirers were called the "Muses". They do not help, but they empower our ninefold faculty of actualization. It is the Power of the Muses and the I Ching trigram of Sensing. C Center/Up. With the Ten we anchor our mind in the center. We are in communion with above and below, heaven and earth. We invoke the spirit of the "Man in the Universe". He is the archetype of the possible human, of humanity. He is the aspect of the divine in whose image we are fashioned, the mold. In the center we invoke the sacred unifying power. There is no trigram correspondence.
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It seems like I get most of my 'downloads' from above while standing in a hot shower at the end of the day.
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Interesting idea about the suicide containers. If I had an advanced terminal condition of some kind with only a few months to live and a likelyhood of a lot of physical pain. Considering also my family and sparing them the trauma of dealing with my slow painful death. In some instances, to me the idea has merit. If it's at the point where I really feel a fast decline occurring. We should have a right to sovereignty over our bodies. Maybe have my rotting corpse mix with some kind of compound where by just throwing in some tomato seeds in a few months,,, little Eucharist gardens develop,,,, Commune with cousin Joe after death,,,, Someone mentioned not editing their posts. That's a good one. Tough. That was a part of the deal in my last two Gurdjieff group online endeavors. Good luck Leonid! Thanks for sharing and trusting us.
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I've referred to Jana Dixons Biology Of Kundalini in a couple of posts. I had the book when I went through some of this turmoil. i didn't read it through but only skipped around in it at the time. Sometimes rereading a certain topic or essay several times. Anyone who clicks on it and looks at the variety of links which comprise this book will begin to see the scope of her work. She's an entertaining character but so super-smart, I can barely follow in some spots. Really im rediscovering the book for myself. From some of the posts scattered around lately, I felt compelled to paste something I just read earlier. From her chapter Toxic Mind Theory http://www.biologyofkundalini.com/article.php@story=ToxicMindTheory.html The kundalini phenomena is so exaggerated and complex that parts of the experience obscure other parts. At the start of writing my book I was sure that kundalini was not involved in detoxification because the vividness of the psychic, creative, ecstatic and relational aspects of the experience obscured the neurological metamorphosis itself. Only after I had pieced together the framework of possible chemistry of metamorphosis did the large picture of neurological detoxification come into focus. Then I saw the many causes, signs and symptoms fall perfectly into place within a detoxification theory with its roots in infant development. That our primary wiring continues to inpact us throughout our life is beautifully expressed in the following example of a woman I interviewed. When I left home at 17 till the time my father died when I was 31, I went through cycles of anxiety that would build up till I went home to my parents, after which I would get sick. Like an addict I was using the negative chemistry of my parents relationship to force a detoxification crisis to relieve me of my anxiety; because the hypertonality my initial wiring was created within the context of that same toxic relationship of my parents. So I went through many cycles of hyperarousal/detoxification over this period. A kundalini awakening being a huge version of this same cyclic detoxification process. After my kundalini awakening, although I am far from thriving in emotional regulation, I don't go through this anxiety cycling/neuro-detox process anymore, which means my brain has fundamentally restructured itself. The awakening was sufficiently catastrophic that the base hypertonality to my brain was changed so the synapses don't get so cluttered with metabolic debris...this means that my neurology is cleansing itself as fast as it is messing house, because my hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis is not set on permanent emergency mode anymore. All other factors being the same, if I had been given adequate loving skin to skin and eye to eye contact in infancy to build up a lush connection between my right orbital complex and my limbic brain, then my emotional regulation would have been stronger and I would not build up the enormous psychic tension that propels kundalini to awaken.”
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Everyone sees things from differing perspectives. I thought, Geez, man, I get disgusted about keeping my old car going too, but tomorrow is another day,,,
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Ocke is not a guru. He has no spiritual egotism or spiritual materialism. His down to earth way of relating helps reveal the practicality of his statements, such as: "Sometimes you have to go run and hide so you don't get pecked to death" He embodies the wisdom of light heartedness. As well as relaxing with the transrational. Articulated well by Jana Dixon on her Biology of Kundalini website. http://www.biologyofkundalini.com/article.php@story=RelaxingwiththeTransrational.html We repress our guilt and negative emotions and then unconsciously project it back out onto the world. If we take things in a negative way, that points to the necessity for more processing. Very few humans completely purify their emotional center. They're called Saints. Saints are eaters of suffering. I'm not a Saint. I'm going to go run and hide now.
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I like Ken Wilburs distillation down to just one line of development that runs through ego and trans personal line of development. "Just one," he pauses for dramatic effect in interview - "Developing the capacity for 'disinterested awareness." His words. Basically, what shores up the ego can then be used for metabolizing ego structures.
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There's a lot of healing to be had in self study. Diamond Approach Online Glossary is a good place to do it. IMO Ill leave a couple excerpts and a link. Hope this is some help,,, Essential Development Involves Confronting Rips in the Structure of the Personality Narcissistic pathology, borderline syndrome, and the psychoses are nothing but failures and deficiencies of the structure of the personality itself, as is becoming understood now in depth psychology. The work on essential development involves actually confronting and softening this same structure. It does not only modify it but in some sense actually dismantles the ego identity and reinstitutes the lost identity, the true, high self of the essence. This is bound to bring to consciousness all the conflicts, fears, distortions and deficiencies in the structure. We are not here lauding weak or deficient structures of the personality; borderline tendencies and psychosis are not essence. They are just rips in the structure of the personality itself. Actually, the personality must be somewhat stable but flexible for the work of essential development to be possible. Otherwise, the conflicts and fears will be too quicklydisintegrating, and the person will not be able to tolerate the process. Essence with the Elixir of Enlightenment, pg. 119 Everybody has Neurotic, Borderline, Narcissistic and Psychotic Features in His Personality However, even neurotic and normal personalities have features similar to these severe pathologies. Sometimes the difference is only in the degree of pathology. The extent of the presence of borderline, narcissistic, and psychotic features in neurotic and normal personality structures is just beginning to be acknowledged in psychological circles. It is still very far from being seen objectively. From our perspective, everybody has neurotic, borderline, narcissistic, and psychotic features in his personality, each stemming from its developmental anlage in the process of ego development. People differ in the preponderance and intensity of the different developmental features in their personalities. Diagnosis in terms of neurotic, borderline, and so on is useful only for the practical purposes of applying technique and judging what is the best sequence of development for a particular student. For instance, a normal person with borderline tendencies might need to deal to some extent with some of the features of his ego structure before it is possible or even desirable to deal effectively with his superego. Essence with the Elixir of Enlightenment, pg. 135 https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/borderline Personally, I had to work on 'the grandiose self' and schizoid coping mechanisms https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/grandiose-self https://www.diamondapproach.org/glossary/refinery_phrases/schizoid-defense Good luck,,,
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I can't be quiet inside if my attention is dispersed. To get into a 'collected state' means that all of my attention is collected. Also it means I need the ability to direct my attention and not let it be drawn, which is usually through emotions or that I fall into autopilot and my attention is dispersed continually and increasingly as more and more attention escapes my direction,,, i cant become free from other people or have inner quiet if my metaphorical atmosphere has a whole in it. Maurice Nicoll used the term being hermetically sealed. I would update this metaphor to being teflon coated,,, im not talking about being a stoic 'island to oneself' but really to the capacity for staying centered and being impartial. Being hermetically sealed works better with the metaphor of us each having our own atmosphere. In an Ocke de Boer article he draws from another source where Gurdjieff gives an exercise for getting into the collected state. In this, he grouches at Madame Desaltman who ended up carrying on Gurdjieffs work and living to be exactly 100,,, I think. She died in the 1980's An introduction from Ocke: Ocke: Whatever I say about this will never be enough, but I will tell you what I think about this from my own experience and you will have to make your own disparity with that. To make your own disparity with something is to reconcile something from Reason-of-knowing to Reason-of-understanding. You need the Reason of knowing to receive an idea. You need your own individuality-data to reconcile it into your own understanding. Your understanding and real I are one, according to Orage. The expression of your own individuality needs to be third force of your life. The result of work is that knowledge becomes understanding. To learn to get our two-natured system (planetary and astral bodies) accustomed to higher states, we have to learn to become collected. To get to a collected state is described in the Transcripts of Meetings by Gurdjieff from 1941-1946. This collected state is the basis for learning to remember ourselves. Gurdjieff giving the exercise for a "collected state" Gurdjieff: You must do an exercise to be more collected. Learn to collect yourself. Choose a good moment that seems propitious. Sit down let nobody disturb you. Relax yourself. All your attention - all your will is concentrated on your relaxation. You quieten your associations. After - only after, you begin to think.. Mme D: Yes. I try like that and I do not succeed. Gurdjieff: Wait. Do not disturb me - do not interrupt me. You have never done like this. Your explanations prove it to me. After, when you have quieted your associations, only then, begin the exercise - consciously, with all your attention, all your faculties. You represent to yourself that you are surrounded by an atmosphere. Like the earth, man also has an atmosphere, which surrounds him on all sides, for a metre, more or less - to a limit. In the atmosphere the associations, in ordinary life the thoughts-produce waves. It concentrates at certain places - it recedes; it has movements according to the direction which you impart it. This depends on the movement of your thought. Your atmosphere is displaced in the direction in which your thought goes. If you think of you mother, who is far away your atmosphere moves towards the place where your mother is. When you do this exercise, you represent to yourself that this atmosphere has limits. For example one metre and a half, shall we say. Then you concentrate all your attention on preventing your atmosphere from escaping beyond the limit. You do not allow it to go further than one metre or one metre and a half. When you feel your atmosphere quieted, without waves, without movement, then with all your will you suck it into yourself - you conserve yourself in this atmosphere. You draw it consciously into yourself. The more you can, the better it is. To start with, is very tiring. That is how one must do the exercise. Afterward you rest yourself - you send the exercise to the devil. Repeat it afresh in the evening. This exercise is done especially to allow one to have a collected state. It is the first exercise. It is difficult to penetrate into yourself at the first effort. One must compel the atmosphere to remain within its limits - not allow it to go further than it should. It is the first exercise in order to have a collected state. This exercise I have given to everybody. No one has understood what is collectedness, nor given it any attention”... Ocke: This exercise was given by Gurdjieff for everybody, and it is the basis for learning to remember yourself and it is also the basis for learning how to sense and fill the body, which is extremely important if we want our atmosphere to be detached from other surrounding atmospheres. This detachment will make it possible to become free inside from other people. If we want to coat the higher in us we have to become free from other people.
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Culture encourages us to dissociate through materialism and ambition. Purifying myself of emotional negativity and reactiveness frees up attention and takes the Leins and mortgages off my Awareness = more freedom, inner and outer. Just being devils advocate,,,,,
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I was afraid of that. I guess I was saying the idea of a mystic/sage and the turning inward mesh with this concept of being a Ternary Metaphysician. Maybe my inclusion of psychotherapy needs tossed out the window. The tone of your post and the animation prompted my response. I'll keep pondering,,,,
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I don't know what I'm going to type next. Sometimes I go by realtime download. I've admitted to be a chaotic and abstract thinker and I intuit you're at ease with that. Also meaning this may be a 2-3 day unfoldment or not. I have had a wannabe psychotherapist compulsion my whole life. Even after I've made myself look ridiculous multiple times. It helped when I discovered the idea of Contemplative psychoanalysis which provided a relief valve so I wouldn't be torturing the world at large near as much. But only just, some. Recently I was pondering a phrase coined by Cynthia Bourgeault regarding Gurdjieffs law of three she referred to as 'Ternary metaphysics's.' I know pondering is an antique sounding word but when used as meant by Gurdjieff, it's a good specific term. There is a position to be filled by someone becoming a Ternary Metaphysician. Between stage green and yellow or between first and second tier there appears to be a second gap aspect of the law of seven also called the law of Octaves. meaning intuitively that this would be where the Ternary Metaphysician would first step on ground as someone who specialized in making bridges for others to cross this 'doldrums area'. Specifically intuited psychological bridges. Does that make any sense? Spark a related idea?
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Zigzag Idiot replied to nado's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I don't know? I like Hans Wilhelm's expression- the father/mother god "Forgive them, they know not what they do" - Isn't that for all of us to say? In regards to those in spiritual sleep? At times, I think the Gnostics had it right and Jehovah was just a bum,,, maybe black sheep of the family, who had an uncle overlooking him until he gets it right,,,,,? And didn't Jesus go to India for a few years to get his tune up before his three year ministry? I don't know? Sadhguru said, "You must not destroy, I do not know" I don't know? I'm getting very sleepy. Now I lay me down to sleep. -
I have a friend who is from Saturn. She is kind of the serious type. Very responsible,,,,
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I love this! You're real, man.
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Better use of time than reading Castenada would be to watch one of Leo's videos or a Martin Butler video now and then,,,
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Zigzag Idiot replied to Dan Arnautu's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Picking through bits in the list of Jana Dixon links on her Biology of Kundalini website might be of help. It is similar in tone to Nahm's good advice and the video offered by Keiranperez http://www.biologyofkundalini.com/article.php@story=RelaxingwiththeTransrational.html This is one of her links under the subcategory MEANING Her knowledge was helpful for me,,, still is It was not an easy time for me. Over 3-4 years it would come and go. -
I didnt give the link to the Castenada quotes the other day. The guy with this website has removed the words of "The Teaching" from the Castenada books. Mostly the words of Don Juan Matus. Castenada was a trickster, but a genius about the human condition and describing in metaphor. William Patrick Patterson has made a good case regarding Castenada repackaging the Gurdjieff knowledge for his own work,,, The stories are bullshit but the metaphors are pure gold for opening one up IMO. It's an indulgence of mine From A Separate Reality http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan2.html " You must stop talking to yourself. Every one of us does that. We carry on an internal talk. We talk about our world. In fact we maintain our world with our internal talk. Whenever we finish talking to ourselves the world is always as it should be. We renew it, we kindle it with life, we uphold it with our internal talk. Not only that, but we also choose our paths as we talk to ourselves. Thus we repeat the same choices over and over until the day we die, because we keep on repeating the same internal talk over and over until the day we die." From The Power of Silence http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan8.html Words are tremendously powerful and important and are the magical property of whoever has them. Sorcerers have a rule of thumb: they say that the deeper the assemblage point moves, the greater the feeling that one has knowledge and no words to explain it. Sometimes the assemblage point of average persons can move without a known cause and without their being aware of it, except that they become tongue-tied, confused, and evasive. There is a threshold that once crossed permits no retreat. Every sorcerer should have a clear memory of crossing that threshold so he can remind himself of the new state of his perceptual potential. One does not have to be an apprentice of sorcery to reach this threshold, and the only difference between an average man and a sorcerer, in such cases, is what each emphasizes. A sorcerer emphasizes crossing this threshold and uses the memory of it as a point of reference. An average man does not cross the threshold and does his best to forget all about it. What a strange feeling: to realize that everything we think, everything we say depends on the position of the assemblage point. The secret of our chains is that they imprison us, but by keeping us pinned down on our comfortable spot of self-reflection, they defend us from the onslaughts of the unknown. Once our chains are cut, we are no longer bound by the concerns of the daily world. We are still in the daily world, but we don't belong there anymore. In order to belong we must share the concerns of people. And without chains we can't. What distinguishes normal people is that we share a metaphorical dagger: the concerns of our self-reflection. With this dagger, we cut ourselves and bleed; and the job of our chains of self-reflection is to give us the feeling that we are bleeding together, that we are sharing something wonderful: our humanity. But if we were to examine it, we would discover that we are bleeding alone; that we are not sharing anything; that all we are doing is toying with our manageable, unreal, man-made reflection. Sorcerers are no longer in the world of daily affairs because they are no longer prey to their self-reflection.
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Zigzag Idiot replied to okulele's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
One approach to work on shadow. Disclaimer: Leo's methods seem parallel in a number of ways to this. So when this guy talks about the self help "Charlatans" on you tube. I do NOT See Leo Gura in this Category. I see methods and practices that go hand in hand. -
Zigzag Idiot replied to okulele's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I'm watching,,, Right on!!!