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Metaphor for a healthy mind - A clean empty stage Almaas: “For the process of understanding to happen, three elements need to be there at the same time. The element of disidentification is one of them, involvement is another. The third element is the quality of allowing. These elements can be there when there is harmony among the three centers—the belly center, the chest center, and the head center. When there is this harmony, it is possible to experience fully, to allow, and to disidentify. Now, what do I mean by these three elements? Each center contributes to the process of understanding. If the head center is functioning correctly, it means that space or emptiness is allowed. What is the significance of space and emptiness? Space and emptiness make possible the quality of allowing. When there is space in the mind, there is no self-image. You’re not trying to stick to something in particular. You’re not trying to go somewhere. The mind is allowing whatever is there to be there. So the head center’s participation or contribution is space, which is an allowing, a welcoming in a sense—space for things to happen without rejection, without trying to hold on. You become complete allowing. The heart center’s contribution has to do with its central quality, which is the personal essence. The contribution of the personal essence is the diving movement, the actual living of the experience. You not only allow it, you’re in the midst of it, you’re one with it. You’re really it, you let it happen, you feel it fully, you sense it fully, you experience it fully, right? That’s the contribution of the heart center. The belly center has its contribution, which is represented by the self, the essential self. The contribution of the essential self is the disidentification, the turning away. When you are truly functioning in the belly, you are completely present, and being completely present, you are being yourself. So you are not identified with the usual activity of trying to get somewhere else.”

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Self Remembering Self Remembering is a term used in the Fourth Way. It's not ever really defined in a concise way because of its all encompassing aspects when used in relation to Inquiry. Author and Fourth Way student Nicholas Tereschenko has produced a definition/pointer that's pretty good though. "Self Remembering is the expansion of the field of consciousness, so that both the outside and inside worlds are perceived together in the unity of experience." I think another way into the experience of Self Remembering is to just walk into an oncology wing or burn unit in a children's hospital.

In addition to Lines and stages ,,, our most immediate and ever fluctuating states of consciousness

That sounds similar in nature to Carnal body in which we can develop an Astral body which makes contact within to the Subte body and Causal body

I like the intent of your method but it's using a mental process to stop a mechanical mental process that's had years of carving out a groove. That's a tough one. I use a form of what you mention that in the Work that is referred to as an alarm clock. it's taught that we have to make up new ones from time to time because they become less effective over time. For steady practice towards continuity of consciousness, I haven't found anything as effective as observing sensation in the body, particularly the feet, especially in highly active intense situations. The hara as well. Using awareness of physical sensation in the body to get or stay grounded is what is taught in most of the different Gurdjieff groups as well as those influenced more by Ouspensky lineage of students.. It's so easy to sense ones feet because there are so many nerve endings. To me it seems like it actually cultivates the split attention necessary for steady Witness Consciousness. It's also encouraged to distinguish feeling from sensing. Feeling becomes clairvoyance eventually. I'm enjoying your talks,,,,

@now is forever @jbram2002 There is also the idea that the act of Judas' betraying Christ was a spur of the moment sacrifice he made to buy a little time so that this Ritual could be carried out. That's why Gurdjieff said that sometimes when he got drunk, he would pray to Judas instead of that little skinny Jew and he also didn't want to bother God especially when he was drunk.

Thanks for clarifying and pointing to Leo's true vs false skepticism video as the source. I think Ive watched it but like all of them I usually benefit by rewatching them.

If the Gospel of Thomas counts,,,

I like the way @Shiva framed it the other day as poetry. Poetry as a metaphor for holding it lightly in the sense of trying it on,,, to see if it's true in ones own experience.

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@Anderz The "teleported DNA " article/topic you referred to I ran across a couple of years ago in the documentary below. It's brought up @ 11:30 into it. Here they are saying 7.83 hertz is the key ingredient for this to occur. If I'm not mixed up,,, Its pretty wild stuff. It's a long Documentary though and somewhat depressing in the picture they paint of the harm being done to humans by the stew of electromagnetic pollution coming from cell phones and towers.

That distinct word.'pulsating' describes my experience of it as well.

When we see too much, we become inconsolable.

Thanks for sharing some biographical information. I wish more of the Journalers would share parts of their history. Whatever they are comfortable with. If we know more of each other's struggles we can be in tune more with each other's inherent wisdom and recognizing their essence. I've enjoyed your sense of humor in the forum in the last few days.

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@now is forever Us irreverent abstractors,,,,

Why is a clitoris like Antarctica? Most men know it's there but very few really care.

Isn't "a dick measuring contest" a metaphor for the display of Intellectual one-up-man-ship?

Elaborate if you feel like,,,

?The Dwight Yoakum song made me look up. ?

I think both. On a relative scale, it's less harmful than an alcohol or heroin addiction. It's been an issue with me before at a time when I was uncomfortable with silence. It was something I relied on to dissociate in a subtle way from the present moment. As the saying goes, "awareness is curative". Observing how I was using music to dissociate was eventually enough to resolve it in a round about way.

"Even me" - you immediately caught it and laughed. I immediately became you at that moment.

Maurice Nicoll's PSYCHOLOGICAL COMMENTARIES ON THE TEACHING OF GURDJIEFF & OUSPENSKY is over 1700 pages but is a joy to read if you're into the Fourth way or esoteric Christianity. This is distilled down into about 120 pages in a PDF ebook called GEMS OF WISDOM. The link to the PDF is below the quotes. This first one look close. It doesn't say that you have no right to be negative. It says you have a right not to be negative. YOU HAVE A RIGHT NOT TO BE NEGATIVE’ “Now the Work says you have a right not to be negative...To be able to feel this draws down force to help you. You stand upright, as it were, in yourself, among all the mess of your negativeness, and you feel and know that it is not necessary to lie down in that mess. To say this phrase in the right way to yourself, to feel the meaning of the words: ‘I have a right not to be negative,’ is actually a form of self- remembering, of feeling a trace of real ‘I,’ that lifts you up above the level of your negative ‘I’s which are all the time telling you without a pause that you have every right to be negative.” V. 1, p. 161 GIVING UP SUFFERING “A man, a woman, cannot awaken if they retain this dreadful weight, their mechanical suffering, and nourish it, by a continual process of justifying it.” V. 4, p. 1240 GIVING UP SUFFERING II “A man, a woman, must give up their suffering and sacrifice that first of all, because this can lead to a change of Being. For this to happen one must be able to see through self-observation what one suffers from...There is the suffering of man towards woman, of woman towards man...Then take all the mechanical forms of suffer- ing that arise from feeling that you have never been understood by your parents, your husband, your wife, or your children...It is exactly this suffering derived from life and all its awkwardness that has to be sacrificed.” V. 3, pp. 850, 852 GIVING UP SUFFERING III “To serve the Work means to obey what it teaches you to practice on yourself. You want to be gloomy and moody, to object, and so on, and you observe your state and begin to separate from it—then you are serving the Work. And in so doing you are giving up some of your mechanical suffering.” V. 3, p. 855 GIVING UP SUFFERING IV “By work on oneself . . . one rises in the ‘Ladder of Being’ represented by the Ray of Creation. But this rising is only possible by sacrifice. To behave as you always do, and expect to rise, is impossible. One must, to begin with, sacrifice one’s suffering. All self-pity, all self-cradling, vanity, secret absurd fears, all self-sentimentality, all inner accounting, all pitiful pictures, all sighs, inner groans, and complaints, must be burned up in the fire of increasing Consciousness.” V. 3, p. 1090 GIVING UP SUFFERING V “All our mechanical suffering is fraudulent only we will not admit it. Fraudulent suffering is the keynote to what we have to sacrifice. Real suffering is utterly different and always opens us up to a higher level: fraudulent suffering closes us.” V. 3, p. 853 WATCHING EMOTIONS “In yourself everyone else is helpless. You can, as it were, drag a person into the cave of yourself and do what you like with her or him. You may be polite naturally, but in the Work, which is all about purifying or organizing the inner life, it is not enough. It is how you behave internally, invisibly to one another that really counts...Your most negative and most dangerous ‘I’s may come forward when you are alone. . .when you feel that no one is looking. Yes, but you must look.” V. 1, pp. 216, 256 WATCHING EMOTIONS II “You may treat a person outside you well. Yes, but how do you treat the person internally? . . . After a time in the Work, if it begins to act on you, you feel far more uncomfortable through wrong feeling than through anything you may have done outwardly. The Work is not mainly about outer life, but about inner life, and here sincerity and valuation are necessary—not pious, not artificial, but genuine. . . . You have to reach a stage in which when you are alone everyone you know, whether you dislike them or otherwise, can pass through without being sniped or butchered.” V. 2, p. 694, V. 4, p. 1355 https://inner-world-books.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Gems_of_Wisdom.pdf