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@Someone here Yes, but if they are identical then there are no two. Dream and reality equals two. Which one is it then, dream or reality? Or none?

@Someone here I like how confident you always are while being totally wrong You created the duality yourself when you brought up the notion of a dream... that's why I said if this then that. But ultimately none of it. Only consciousness.

If there is a dream, what's real is what's conscious of the dream. If there is no dream, there is reality.

From God's eyes - if you will - there is no illusion, delusion, trickery, or anything like that. There is no lie, only truth. God is simply enjoying it's creation. Losing itself in the sheer epicness of it all.

I am in fact focusing on relaxing today, thanks. I assume I'm coming off far more agitated than I actually am. I'm not that bothered at all, but I do have a bit of an attitude and I am going through my own little process, so yeah... Was not reading all of your comments, outside of our conversation, but I think I kind of get where you stand. I figured we more or less understood each other a few pages ago.

It's ridiculous that this is even being argued. There just is no identity in pure being. God is not a title that you wear as a badge. Stop fooling around and do the fucking work.

Anyone who's lost in the thought 'I am God'. Cuz what you are, I am too.

It's because I'm not a pretentious spiritual douchebag and I think it's perfectly fine, acceptable and even 'human' to be annoyed. Because most of truth seekers here are stroking their cock to the idea of being God. Some balancing seemed relevant and needed. Just look how much they don't like me killing their boner. Yes. It just is. It is not you, and it is not not you. It only is. What's seemingly trying to convince you or anyone else of anything, are just thoughts. God is losing itself in thought. And that's where you, I, we, them and all that shit exists. In thought. God is not limited to a thought.

You can think there is self, you can think there is no self. You can think there is you, you can think there is no you. You can think there is God, you can think there is no God. Duh. Instead of trying to figure out which side is true, or look for evidence to support one or the other, or search for ways to debunk the opposite... drop all that mindfuckery and just fucking be conscious now. As hard as you can lol.

I am quite annoyed by your comments, yes. That does not make Truth any less true.

Because god likes dumbing itself down. Well, either Yousif is talking to Ivan, or no one is talking to no one. Depends how strong God is dumbing itself down. Yeah, it also said it will fly over your head, and it did. It appears I cannot dumb things down enough for you, and others.

@Yousif I cannot put it any simpler brosif. There is only God. The notion of you or I is ultimately delusion. It exists as delusion, but it can never be actuality or Truth. I obviously do not abide in God - consciousness at the moment, hence there is I, you, them, etc. But I see through it. I see through myself. I know it's all mist, and the only thing that's real is being/isness/consciousness. Maybe it would click better and you'd like it more if I was to say: You are God, ultimately. But as soon as you think or believe you are God - you are in lalaland. You are deluding yourself.

7-8 years ago. No. There is no big, and no small self once God is fully realized.

@Thought Art Those who went 'very deep' or even 'all the way' are perfectly clear on there being no identity in god - realization or enlightenment. I am not projecting my trauma on anyone. I am just using my experiences as an example of what can happen. Because, well, I am someone who took things quite deep. I know where the traps are and how to get out of them. I am warning you, yes. And I'm also letting you know that you're wrong, absolutely speaking. There just is no I or You in enlightenment. No identity in God. Peace.

When I had my first full blown 'god - realization'... way before I joined this community... way before having an understanding of all this enlightenment biz... Well, I threatened several cops and paramedics to jump off of the balcony, yelling that I'm God, that it's all just a game and that I cannot die. I wasn't suicidal one bit, ever, before it after that night. It wasn't about me wanting to die. What was revealed to me was simply way too much for me to comprehend. There was no way I would not misinterpret everything, especially in that moment, being high on psychedelics. So I did misinterpret everything, instantly. I fell into THE trap. I fully believed in that moment, that if I was to jump, I wouldn't die. Because, well, I'm God, I constructed all of this, there is nothing above or beyond me. Everything was shown to me precisely and exactly as it is. It all came apart and right back together, layer by layer, right in front if my eyes - if you will. That night the Truth was completely reveled, without any warning. Nothing could've prepared me. After the event, which I luckily survived, I went through your usual cycle, believing I was God and that it's all in my mind and so on. Thankfully, it did not take me too long to realize that I was in hell. I understood that even the highest of realizations and deepest of insights can become a prison. In fact, if one is blind and careless enough, they most certainly will end up in a cage. Many or most of you, especially newbies, are nowhere near to being equipped enough to comprehend or handle what it really means when they say 'You are God'. You are simply incapable of even beginning to understand what that actually means and implies. I guarantee. When I say 'You are not God and will never be', I am provoking the solipsistic belief, the spiritual ego - if you will, the god complex. Because let's not joke around... God has no need to believe in itself, or make others believe anything. God has nothing against someone saying there is no God. God has no issue with having no identity. You know who does? You. You have an issue, pretty much with everything. You know why? Because you believe this and not that. When I say 'You can't be God' it's for a very good reason. Not because I did not have my realizations or insights or because I'm not awake enough or whatever. It's because I understand something you don't. God is not an identity. It cannot be pointed towards. And YOU is a pointer. A fat ass label. A cage. Cannot put God in a cage, no matter how big or small. You can try, yes, but I guarantee it's gonna be ugly and it's gonna hurt as fuck. Sooner or later. You could be having the most enlightening enlightenment experience of all time, realize God on alien steroids, and that's all cool... but the moment you think it's you... you're fucked. Not to mention that if you really are a hardcore, committed Truth seeker, and you really take the notion of 'I am God' all the way... I guarantee you're gonna end up losing it. Jumping off of a bridge or whatever else. Cause chaos and mayhem in some way or fashion. It's a thought, you fool! 'I am God' - is a thought, ultimately. If you believe in it, you gonna have a bad time, trust me. You simply have to snap out of it. Let fucking go. Just be. Be free.

@josemar Good point, thanks.

@Davino I live a very ordinary, down to earth life. I don't float around, walk on water or perform any kind of magic. Got the 'being human' part covered - no worries. That is precisely why I know my place, I know where I begin and end, and I do not walk around believing I'm God. If someone was to stab me (classic argument btw) there would be pain, blood and all that. Does not make me any less or more self - realized.

Relatively speaking, If we continue down this road, what we will end up with is a bunch of mentally disturbed people believing they're God - none of them actually being conscious or present. Let alone abiding in God - consciousness. Something in you works extremely hard to keep this identity alive. It would go as far as masquerading and calling itself GOD. But it's not, really. It is only trying to mimic GOD. It's make - believe.

It's not about believing you are not God. It's about seeing that there is no you, only God. There is existence, and it has nothing to do with any you or I characters. If hands are seen, God is not. There are no things, no humans, no constructs that God fills. That's only true in post clarification, and not even. It's fantasy. God fills nothing. God just is. No facets, no fractals, no vessels, no streams... Only one, pure, direct consciousness. Yes. And THIS has nothing to do with any YOU or I characters. THIS has no identity. THIS just fucking is. That's not how Infinity is. It is not an infinite amount of bricks in an infinitely large castle. That's just more spiritual ideas and beliefs. There are no bricks and no castle either. Only isness. Omnipresence.

That's also just a cute little spiritual belief. In pure direct consciousness, there is no 'we' that is a part of the whole. Only consciousness.

As far as I'm concerned, nearly all of you guys involved in this spiritual biz here, fell into a nasty trap. A belief that says you're God. You really do believe that you're God. You believe it so strong already you will fight over it and try to defend your newfound identity. You fail to see that Truth is not something you believe in, it is something you are. Believing you are God is nowhere nearly the same as being God.

That is precisely the opposite of what is being said in the original post. The message is, again; absolutely speaking, there is nothing but pure, direct consciousness, right here, right now, forever. Nothing other than that. No egos, no I's, no U's. Only light. Only God. 'You' is an idea.

Yes, sure, relax, be you. Just don't delude yourself into believing you're God. That's the whole point.

@Thought Art No. That there is a YOU or an I... is what God is imagining.

@Thought Art There is light, there is enlightenment, but no enlightened people, no enlightened I's or You's. There is isness. There is being. And no you in it. There is God. And you are not it.