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@Nahm I'm guessing the punchline is nothing. This is the Will of God. Form is. Experience is. Thoughts are. I am.

@WelcometoReality Not sure if I understand your question... Will is the force. It flows effortlessly.

How can you negate something that doesn't exist?

Yup. In that sense; thought lets go of you - not the other way around.

Well yeah. In a sense; this chair in front of me is a thought, too. Not just the conceptual layer I project over it, but the actual thing. However; that's not what I was trying to point at in this thread. Rather just simply the inner voice, the constant narrative, that most of us have. Good point. I don't see why thought should be eliminated completely. It's just God being creative. Will is prior to any form of thought. It's only natural

Light is self-aware

@Bodhitree Thanks for your input! Again; just so damn fascinating.

Ime; enlightenment is when instead of hearing sound you start hearing light. Instead of smelling scents you start smelling light. Instead of touching the table you start touching light. Instead of tasting food you start tasting light. Instead of seeing colors you start seeing white. Instead of thinking thoughts you start thinking white. Instead of breathing air you start breathing Light. Pure, divine, infinitely intelligent Light.

@WelcometoReality Yeah, gotcha. I just disagree with 'I' being a thought, only. 'I' is more than that. It is a sense. It is intertwined with the 5 human senses. It goes very deep. So simply stopping thinking does not mean one is all the sudden enlightened, or has transcended the 'I'. If one decides to go 'all the way', eventually all senses dissolve - including the sense of 'I'. One cannot die only half way. @tsuki Yeah, pretty much heard the same from other people talking about their experiences on YouTube. Fascinating, indeed. What's even more mind- blowing to me is that there are people who have no internal monologue and on top of that are unable to visualise anything. Pure presence, right? Full immersion. Still not enlightenment tho.

@integral I noticed I do that often. Especially when passion takes over.

@James123 Yes. You must unknow yourself before you truly come to know yourself. Once that happens; there will be no need to keep repeating to yourself that none of this exists and that you were never born. It's just a path. And it ends with being. Being is not afraid of thoughts, identity, knowledge or anything else for that matter. Being simply is all of it. And fucking loves it. Stop hiding behind nothing. I see you.

@James123 I knew you'd say that. Too predictable. What's the difference between nothing and everything? What's the difference between thought and consciousness? What's the difference between thought and no thought? What's the difference between forum and no forum? What's the difference between me speaking my mind freely and you speaking of nothing and nobody? Let's dance.

@James123 Will do. Then I'll come back to the forum and let everyone know that I don't exist, and neither does anyone else I love you bro. But you're so full of shit.

@Leo Gura Pretty much my thoughts too, yup. Well that's just false, ime. Anyone can let go of thinking, even if just for a few seconds. That doesn't make them enlightened. Not even nearly. @Nahm I'll give it a thought

@PureRogueQ Gotcha Another thought comes to mind; What would the spiritual path look like for individuals with no internal monologue and those with aphantasia (inability to visualise) ?

@PureRogueQ Cool, thanks. I'd equate no internal monologue with simple clarity and peace of mind. Not enlightenment. However, ime; there is no thought processing in pure light, either. So that's interesting.

@Nahm So no thought = enlightenment; is what you're saying?

You're right. I'm full of shit ?

Ime; It's only sneaky and it only plays dirty until you gather the courage to level with it (yourself) and acknowledge its experience. Understand why it acts the way it does. Its point of view. Yes, it's capable of doing some rather nasty stuff. It's just like a child that's begging for your attention. It will grow bigger and nastier until you finally stop running away from it, trying do deny it, ignore it, eliminate it etc. Once you start meeting 'the false self' with love - giving it the time, space, respect and attention it requires - it will let go and slowly dissolve into the Truth of who you are. It is your greatest transformation and initiation. I understand we're all wired differently and come from different backgrounds... But trying to eliminate, kill or destroy the ego simply did not work for me. I imagine I'm not the only one. While I was on that path; I only created more judgement, resentment and suffering. I was splitting myself in two. Dividing instead of uniting. One day it just clicked for me; 'holy shit! I'm trying to separate myself from myself here. That's not gonna work. Best find a common ground... A common language...' And that language was Love.

@flume Thank you! Happy for you May 22th, is it? It might just happen. It's been on my list for a while now. Would love to experience his transmissions live. We'll be in touch!

I find it quite sad. Then again; I was there too; for a brief moment. Its a phase. Spiritual puberty. Maturity is when you realize there is nothing to leave behind. Nothing to look down on. Everything is here to be met with love. I fucking love my personality. My uniqueness. My likes and dislikes. Quirks and features. Flaws and shortcomings. Thank God I am who I am. I'd trade it for nothing else. I'm grateful for my past. Even the pain I've endured. I look forward to the future. If reincarnation is real; I'm coming back as Ivan. Is that ego? Maybe, yes. But it's an ego that knows its place and is being loved and respected. It does not try to outfuck itself. You'd be surprised how easily it lets go when you just let it be.

It's more popular to silently hate yourself and pretend that you don't exist.

I'm curious about your views and definitions. What is the mind, in your experience? Do you feel like you're actually walking around inside of your mind? Or do you think the mind is just this thing in your head? Perhaps some sort of a realm? A mental layer of existence? What is it and how does one 'transcend' it? What does it even mean to 'transcend the mind'? Would appreciate your thoughts.

@PureRogueQ Thank you for that genuine response. For me; the 'trick' is in knowing when and how to drop it all and when and how to keep pushing. Balancing knowing with not knowing. That is 'the whole picture' - ime. I see nothing wrong with wanting to gain a deeper understanding of myself. But as soon as I catch myself pushing too hard; I let go. I take a break and come back to it refreshed. I'd say it's totally possible to understand and even master the mind. I think the impulse to do so is only natural. It's evolution. Most of us - if not all of us - embarked on this journey because we felt like there is something more to be known. And how much have we learned? A lot - I'd say. And there is much, much more.

Yes, but I have access to the source. Hence it is possible to become conscious of how exactly I'm imagining it all. Conceptualizing it is another thing. But I enjoy that too, so why the heck not.