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The issue is the Israeli government is giving them a reason to right now.

We stole the land so I guess we're thieves, on top of being terrorists.

I think I certainly did in my response to @Lyubov in the other thread. I literally looked at it from his perspective and i shed tears. But the whole thing about stolen land (no one owns land) and how they will never allow the Palestinians to be a welcomed part of Israel - that's really just speculation. But that's what current perception is. And I can see that being true in the regard that they hold their religion so closely. So ultimately defending Israel is a losing battle i said this before. I just think that demonizing them isn't the answer either. Let's learn from this and hopefully the Jewish people will do the right thing in the end.

According to this forum It's justified here because of how evil Israel is and how they oppress the Palestinians leaving them no choice.

Why don't you twist the dagger next time and stick it in a litter deeper. You really paint a dark picture of who the Jewish people are or have become. I think there are some who would disagree with you. But I hate to see this. It's sad. All i can hope for is change.

That's funny because mine is the highest. When just waking up i can solve problems in seconds that i agonized over for hours the day before. So I guess it's just random.

Valid points but look at it from both perspectives from Israel's perspective they are protecting what is theirs. I agree it can be seen as oppression but as what was pointed out is from their perspective are the intentions to oppress? I don't think so. Is it deception to want to protect what they have annexed? I think it's wrong to turn a blind eye to the blood they are spilling now. That part is deception because Netanyahu doesn't want to acknowledge that what he is doing now is wrong so he is fooling himself in that regard or worse yet he doesn't even know it.

It's not been completely one sided. There have been proposed offerings at making Palestinians citizens of Israel but many Palestinians want an independent state and Israel is not obligated to do that.

Exactly. And you have this on all sides at various degrees.

What does exist?

If you want to blame someone for the struggle itself that's debatable. What's not debatable is who began the violence. And then it's war. Like the colonies revolting against the British. They can't cry wolf when they used violence to achieve their goals.

Shame on you on the anniversary of Hamas starting the bloodshed. Had you not been so biased you would hold a moment of silence for those slaughtered in the attacks. Fear not - i have your back.

Numbers don't matter neither does history. Only how our current government is screwing up.

Our governments aren't creating this unless you wanna blame Biden and Harris who you support so much. Nice to hear you say it though. But they aren't creating this Hamas created this when they massacred 1500 Jews. You can go back and give a cause beyond this and beyond that all the way back to the big bang if you want to.

I want to put out there that Israel is not ethnic cleansing it is destroying its enemies there is a difference. Any of you who think it is ethnic cleansing that is completely subjective and cannot be backed with any proof.

If you really want to study ethnic cleansing to the highest degree study Nazi Germany. Ethnic cleansing has degrees because (and i dont condone their actions)I i feel that from Israel's perspective had the Palestinians just went away there would be no need to kill them. But their terrorist backing killed Israelis thus kicking off a war. Its not evem ethnic cleansing its destroy your enemies. Unlike where you had a Hitler that would have went about an ethnic cleansing of the planet whether or not they threatened their direct survival. But it comes down to what is in the mind of who is in power.

Change the title then. Understanding the mechanisms behind Israel's political activity. Is deception a factor and if so why.

Hamas isn't some random guy they massacred 1500 Jews.

But you see certain people here view Israel as corrupt even as far back as how they founded their state. And mayhap it was done through terrible atrocities. But those same horrible acts were done apon them. Where is the focus on that? Just because the war in Gaza is current events we must not forget history. Do you know how hard I had to work to even get certain people to even admit what Hitler did was terrible? So who is to say that the Palestinians havent been amicable and would have accepted things that you mentioned like citizenship and a place within Israel. Who is to say that is enough for them? So it's easy to say it's all on Israel. It's easy to focus on what they are doing because it's at the forefront. Yes what they are doing now is wrong but as @hundreth points out there is plenty of that to go around. Thanks for being a bit more open minded than you were before.

What the mostly left is doing is demonizing Israel. That's what your seeing here on this forum. A complete demonization of Israel. It leaves out the terrorism of Hamas and Hezbollah because it wants to focus on demonizing Israel. It leaves out where Hamas specifically positioned it's personell among civilians. Yet the problem is there is no defense of what Israel is now doing in Gaza. I cannot dispute that they have become terrorists of their own now. It is not the sign of an advanced people.

My son got married this weekend been traveling around I just don't have much more to say on the topic. I think Israel went way too far in their response to Oct 7th. It wasn't warranted. And unless they are willing to work with Palestinians and push for peace then they havent really learned anything from their past. It seems we may be passed that point now but we have to see how everything unfolds. Let Leo conduct his study but he should be careful to remember that the video sources will also be biased if they are coming from Palestinians he should try to find neutral sources outside the conflict. @Leo Gura What do you mean by Israel's deceptive behavior in the other thread do you mean justifying what they are doing in their own minds or lying about what they are doing or not seeing what they are doing is a "genocide" because they look at themselves as the "good" guys and so does Western media?

Oh Ok so that's where all the fuss is. Its all clear now.

That can also be flipped around to saying Israel's efforts are for the greater good as well. Getting into relative and absolutes now..so..yeah relatively speaking who's right? The horrors are terrible but in the end we know what it comes down to. Your favorite topic. Survival.

Can't be worse than being on the solipsist list

That would make a great video but I see flaws in his episode on how Everything is good and there is no evil because that fails to consider certain possibilities regarding what is in the mind of the person doing the acts. Not that evil exists or for that matter good but delusion exists and is not accounted for