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Bro what do you think Capitalism is? It's power. We have a vote in the next election don't we? So I say democracy is intact

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She's the one who has to sleep at night keeping to Kirk's identity if that is in fact the case.

But you can make the corruption argument from both sides. There have been corrupt democrats and stuff they have covered up too.

Not really if they follow the teachings strictly. But that is why i said Christianity was the culprit behind the delusion. But to her it could have been sincere. If you are deluded you aren't conscious of it. That is what makes it delusion. The irony is from the Absolute sense the Bible is right here.

I think that guys like Trump and Musk treat the country like they would a corporation. It's all about power yes but it's about Capitalistic ideals not fascist ideals like Germany had. I guess that's the difference. I don't think their minds think in terms of racial superiority. They might have individualistic superiority in their minds - as in I am better then you. I think this is a problem on many levels but also there are good points to this too. If they felt inferior there would be also be bad points. But I don't feel like they would see to destroy democracy or wipe out other countries. Yet that is the message here by many leftists. When it comes time to vote again I will be seriously looking at other alternatives.

There is a mode or a state you go into though to make them. You would have to.

Well. You see see you're assuming that this is their goals. Can you admit that to yourself? And I am glad you agreed that that this viewpoint is a strawman. There is a difference between power and Nazism. Having power is a also a part of capitalism. The wealthy will have more power over the poor because they went out and took it. Would you call that Fascism?

Hmm. Do you think she could get up there if it was written for her. That would be truly soulless. No if that were the case she would have demonized like Trump. I think it was sincere but I have been wrong before.

Maybe i am wrong but I think his views on transgenders was one of the most distorted of them all. Bless his soul. But didn't he demonize it? This shows the issues with Christianity. His wife was willing to forgive his death but she would still condemn a transgender. That to me demonstrates the sickness of religion. Of course the Bible is open to interpretation.

He isn't open minded at all with politics with his behavior on the forum its no different than how he is with spirituality. On the spiritual forum he sometimes acts like a spiritual 7 year old. Sometimes I think he makes his videos on psychedelics because embodiment he surely doesn't have. And that's OK that's very hard to do.

Absolutely.

His wife was probably more advanced than him... .She didn't realize it but here the Bible served her well. Would he have said the same? I was impressed. It goes to show the Bible has some positive aspects.

or maybe it actually allows them to view each issue independently for itself. Maybe they would take a stance against authoritarianism, against a Hitler if one were to rise To truly rise. Trump may be a moron but he isn't Hitler. And we can debate that till the cows come home...as i am sure there is some imminent danger you feel I'm blind to here...But perhaps to treat each issue as it doesn't have a particular side backing it or that you need to have some type of loyalty to a particular team which could persuade or thus influence your viewpoint because you won't be part of the team if you don't is a positive. You really don't know. There are good and bad apples in every batch.

Indeed it does come full circle I have thought about that. But I think there are also positive aspects to conservatives that get overlooked becaused they are automatically put in the authoritarianism category. I don't agree with authoritarianism and would take a stance against it. But today's stance against MAGA by the left (just read this forum) is that they are gonna send people into concentration camps. So how could there be anything good in the conservative perspective when we hold that kind of viewpoint.

You can make it sound as ugly as you want but Hamas would stop at nothing at this point to destroy Israel as well. So you call try to call out all of the ugly facts of war but a human is a human right? Kids, adults. They are all human lives. I know you guys don't agree with me here but the argument has been presented here before that when Israel tried to make amends they were met with bombs. Hamas wants to take them out, period. You can make the argument of war crimes being committed but that can be perceived on both sides. The volume only being different because of the ebb snf flow of opposing forces. We talked about this before but was Hiroshima genocide? Many of you think it was but it was war. We just discussed what defines genocide. What would have happened had Hitler won?

Not the world. Society has changed. Just like in 100 years society - meaning the people - will be more advanced and unified still- so it's not the technology. It's the people. But when the left treats the people and society like its still 1945 that's what you are going to.get. 1945.

You don't know that everyone who is a moderate is due to psychological discomfort. @Emerald there is such a thing as tier 2 politics. But you see yours seems biased against authoritarianism as you made it the core of your stance. This is a mistake because you look at politics through the lens of anti-authoritarianism this already puts you at a disadvantage from really entering into tier2 because you already have established what is good and what is evil. Putting it under the guise of psychological or mental illness does not exempt you from your demonization tactics. And you've associated any and all views on the right authoritarian and thus would not be open minded to.them. Even if there were some good points there. There are problems and also some good points on both sides. So how can you look at things from a holistic perspective if you have already ruled one perspective out as wrong. This will never allow you to see any good points on the right. The tier two levels of the spiral dynamic model incorporate all the previous stages because- well- ultimately because of Oneness. So all stages ultimately must include all of the others before it. Before you can truly understand stage blue, red or orange you have to incorporate them. Major problem with stage green. You have a lot of yellow thinking but politically you are still mostly green because of this.

The next dream could be completely different.

This is religion at its core with figures like Jesus or Mohammed being the authoritative figure. This isnt post-Truth or a mental health issue it's delusion. It's a lack of consciousness. Thats what delusion is ultimately. It's separation from Truth.

Exactly. Think of it like you're the developer now going back and playing the game. As the player you still have to adhere to the rules of the game and for a moment you can forget you are the developer via imagination. The only difference is you don't have direct access to the cheat codes at will. You broke through the code once and realized your were the developer but it's not like you gave yourself anytime access to the cheat codes now anytime you wanted. The reason for this is you weren't ready to leave the game. If you had God mode access anytime you wanted there wouldn't be a game. And you love the game.

You're comparing the truth about reality to how the ego wants it. When you actually wake up to God it will be Infinite Bliss. After that it's just about lucid dreaming. You can enjoy it so much more.. the downside is that you're like the developer now going back and playing the game you created. You can still enjoy it its just different now because you understand everything. But when you go back and play you lose yourself in the game again.

Where are your facts that he isn't. I admit i don't know a lot about him but if you do then where is he coming out with where he is anti-democracy? The list i made is pretty strong - and it was a list of what a Nazi is. So I guess you'll have to provide facts where he he would commit genocide too. The white Christian national is racially superior and the rest need to be wiped out. Or maybe we are just using the loose definition of the word. Right? Where maybe he supports authoritarianism. Meanwhile they say the same thing about Trump too and we still have a democracy. It seems the only revolution that will take place might be from the left. Everytime I ask YOU a direct question you deflect....so i don't expect anything different here. I also never said the left was worse. I questioned whether the left's belief that the right is worse is valid.

Irs not that they do so very seriously they are just an extreme version of them. A fascist would take it seriously as well- but how to the exteme would they take things. Since Nazis were Fascists they were just an extreme form of fascism. But they also felt their race was superior above all other races and thus condoned and even promoted genocide. This is a key thing about genocide. The Nazis committed genocide because they felt their race was superior and weaker races especially the ones they held the most hatred for needed to be wiped out. Which I don't feel by the way is the position of Israel. And also there is a contemporary, loose use of the word which just refers to the authoritarianism aspect and not the rest. Ot do they mean they think they will committ even genoicde to achieve their goal. Concentration camps and the like? Thats how Leo is using it. And I think this presents problems when you throw a term like Nazi around so loosely. Also to call someone a fascist how do you really know they are anti-democracy. Did Kirk ever say that or did Fuentes? That's a big one. You say they have to meet most of the criteria but I think this one would be key to being a fascist along with feeling your race is superior. Hard to know that's in a lot of these right wing activists or politicians' hearts but the left labels them anyway.

According to AI: Nazi is defined as a member or supporter of the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP), which was the political party led by Adolf Hitler that controlled Germany from 1933 to 1945. More broadly, the term encompasses: Historical definition: Members of the Nazi Party who subscribed to its ideology of extreme nationalism, antisemitism, racial supremacy (particularly the belief in "Aryan" racial superiority), authoritarianism, and militarism. The Nazi regime was responsible for the Holocaust and other genocide, aggressive warfare, and numerous crimes against humanity. Contemporary usage: The term is now also applied to: Neo-Nazis: Modern groups or individuals who embrace Nazi ideology and symbolism People who advocate for similar supremacist, fascist, or genocidal ideologies Sometimes used more loosely (though controversially) as a political insult for authoritarian behavior, though historians generally discourage this casual usage as it can diminish the historical significance Additionally: Nazis are characterized by several core ideological and behavioral traits: Core Ideological Characteristics: Racial supremacy: Belief in the superiority of certain racial groups (historically "Aryan"/white) and inferiority of others Antisemitism: Systematic hatred and persecution of Jewish people Ultranationalism: Extreme devotion to nation/race above individual rights or international law Authoritarianism: Support for dictatorial power and opposition to democratic institutions Scapegoating: Blaming societal problems on minority groups or "outsiders" Political and Social Characteristics: Totalitarian control: Seeking to control all aspects of society, culture, and individual life Cult of personality: Devotion to a supreme leader figure Militarism: Glorification of violence, war, and military power Propaganda use: Heavy reliance on mass propaganda and disinformation Opposition to pluralism: Rejection of diverse viewpoints, multiculturalism, or democratic debate Behavioral Patterns: Dehumanization: Treating targeted groups as less than human Violence and intimidation: Using force against perceived enemies Conspiracy thinking: Believing in elaborate plots by minority groups or "elites" Historical revisionism: Denying or minimizing past atrocities Symbolic identification: Use of specific symbols, uniforms, or rituals Modern manifestations of these characteristics can be seen in neo-Nazi movements, white supremacist groups, and other extremist organizations that adopt similar ideologies, though they may adapt these core elements to contemporary contexts. These characteristics represent a dangerous extremist ideology that has historically led to genocide, war crimes, and massive human suffering. Are nazis against democracy? Yes, Nazis are fundamentally opposed to democracy. This opposition is one of their defining characteristics. Historical Nazi opposition to democracy: The Nazi Party systematically dismantled Germany's democratic Weimar Republic after gaining power in 1933 Hitler abolished democratic institutions, banned opposition parties, and eliminated civil liberties Nazis viewed democracy as weak, chaotic, and contrary to their vision of strong authoritarian rule They promoted the "Führerprinzip" (leader principle) - absolute obedience to a single supreme leader rather than democratic decision-making Why Nazis oppose democracy: Incompatible with racial hierarchy: Democracy's principle of equality conflicts with Nazi beliefs in racial superiority Pluralism rejection: Democracy requires tolerance of diverse viewpoints, which Nazis fundamentally reject Power concentration: Nazis seek total control, while democracy distributes power and includes checks and balances Minority rights: Democratic systems protect minority rights, while Nazi ideology seeks to persecute minorities Individual freedoms: Democracy emphasizes individual rights, while Nazis prioritize state/racial collective over individuals Modern neo-Nazi movements continue this anti-democratic stance, often: Advocating for authoritarian or fascist government systems Opposing voting rights for certain groups Supporting political violence to achieve their goals Rejecting constitutional protections for minorities Promoting conspiracy theories that undermine faith in democratic institutions This anti-democratic nature is why Nazi movements are considered existential threats to democratic societies and why democratic governments typically monitor and restrict Nazi organizations where legally possible. @MightyMind hard to believe Fuentes would be all of this so I suspect Leo's using the term loosely in a contemporary manner but I think this is very dangerous and promotes violence. Adding to the problem if one exists.