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No I haven't. I didn't I just did it. And guess what? It wasn't 100 hours I might have been 4-8 tops. There wasn't a belief. So you're really grasping at straws here. .but even if...even If you really want to call this a New Age Religion - then I would say it is the culmination of science and spirituality combined. Or Science and mysticism combined as you put it. It is far far different than Christianity and you know it. I don't know who you are defending - maybe its even you. But you know it deep down. I know this first hand as I mentioned in the political forum my gf is a Christian and hardcore at that. So I know the Christian mind.

Dude what world are you living in? Yeah ask any Christian if they doubt that Jesus is their savior. I don't have an allergy to belief it just won't lead you to Truth because it's a concept. You seem to have this bias towards defending religion and that's fine. I'm just not sure why yet

I think its relevant as it started because group think or a retreat was questioned. So being alone was questioned. Then women vs men being alone. You should address this. Whats a thread if it can't run freely. We could have restricted it but you clearly aren't giving any solid answers to the retreat other than we are gonna smoke dope. So I say let it fly

That's nice but I really don't think it's real world.

Probably more. I don't care what AI says haha. You really can't determine it based on sex. Strength maybe but not emotions. Us guys are probably more fragile than women we just like to keep a wall up because that's the Masculine thing to do 😀

Leave it alone.

That women would go crazier first or that they are more scared than men. There are plenty of fearless women and I assure you that you will go crazier first when locked up. Women are quite resilient. They live longer afterall...remember?

I know you meant well but if you are going to make such claims back them with statistics.

@Hojo if you both were in solitary (you and a woman) she would probably drive you batty before the confinement did 😀 @Natasha Tori Maru @Emerald im kidding so go easy.

Guess you have to make it to Vegas to find out and be willing to smoke dope. Not sure.

Unserstood I haven't seen all the references you are referring to but like I said he probably has a hard time assimilating because the majority of the population isn't like him at all. So most will be beneath his level. That's not an insult its just reality Now that said he could phrase it better on here to encourage socialization but i don't feel it needs to be encouraged. There is nothing wrong with being alone. Too much isolation could turn into a problem and there needs to be some social interaction. But too much of anything can be a problem. You worry about this but you have no problem with him calling America Nazis.

Depending on your level of development it kinda does or doesn't. It can either dumb you down or lift you up. If you hung around Ramana Maharishi for a week I don't think it would make you stupid. So I'm with you there. But if you spent all your time talking to a Bible thumping Jesus fanatic it could dumb you down if you aren't careful. You are what you eat. Don't worry about what Leo says he says a lot of crap on here. Take it with a grain of salt. But he considers himself where he is and he probably is more advanced than the majority of society. He's put in the hours alone.

You make it sound like being alone is starving yourself to death. Whats really wrong with it? As I said I think its healthy to be able to exist alone because then as a man you will never be codependent or need to have someone there to be happy. It's fundamental actually. It doesn't mean socialization or having a relationship with another should be shunned but there is nothing wrong with either choice. As long as you can provide for yourself. There is another member of the forum that is completely happy living off the land in Europe I believe it's @Daniel Balan . Whether he has social relationships i don't know but that's his choice. The point is either should be OK as long as you can provide for yourself. No one is saying to go starve yourself on a mountain for enlightenment but if you do want to do that its your choice. You act like his listeners are complete idiots. To even be a listener here you would have to have a certain level of intelligence and awareness. I think you are the one over dramatizing things.

@Emerald i am not going to comment on his preferences regarding his social life and whether he chooses to be among people or not. But I can tell you from an enlightenment standpoint if he is going to hold a retreat it really can't be a group hug type scenario. If God realization is the goal he basically has to regurgitate his videos but in person. With a more personal touch. The whole group mentality is irrelevant because you would be there for the God realization teachings. Young guys here,, if they are here, and willing to attend the retreat, shouldn't be hung up on social development or personal development. If that's what they lack they shouldn't even be attending one of his retreats at all. He has said many times if you don't have your personal development goals handled or your basic life needs taken care of first then don't even involve yourself in spirituality. This would be about spirituality and spirituality alone. But on a personal note I actually salute him for being alone and not having to have someone there all the time whether it be a friend or a girlfriend. This is actually very paramount in a young man's growth - to be alone and be happy doing that. Because you can't have. a meaningful relationship with anyone if you can't be happy alone first.

Let's not fool ourselves. With mainstream Christianity and Judaism there is no search for the sacred. But as you said even that is corrupt because it is a belief. You should do it out of curiosity not that you believe there is some sacred truth out there. Actualized i believe aligns with this at least at the beginning. The earlier stuff. Even moving forward It's hard for a teacher who has found Truth not to admit it exists at all. But still here it remains a curiosity as far as to answer questions like what am I, what is reality. And, what is Truth, if it exists. I think overall Leo had been very careful not to corrupt his work. There is going to be some corruption in everything.

It is difficult for you to find the comparison because it doesnt exist. Dont try to argue with him he will only double down. To the point where he starts calling America Nazis too.

Trump is gonna send inferior races to the gas chambers now? Yeah OK. This whole Nazi comparison does way more harm then good. You get people like Kirk assassinated. While he was kind of an ass i wouldn't have killed him.

Haliva, who stepped down from his position in April 2024.... Enough said? One man's statement who isn't even in leadership.

Well - maybe that's what it started out as. But something got lost in translation. Again I may be generalizing here and I shouldn't. I'm speaking more about mainstream Christianity.

I know he didn't invent any of it but he did separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak. So credit to Actualized.org for that while also pioneering new ground. But to your point on mysticism...interesting..what is mysticism exactly? It is not necessarily in my opinion the difference between concept and actuality. Mysticism can result from meditation and contemplation such as self inquiry but I would not call these practices mysticism alone. That said I do agree there are some religions where "mysticism" exists such as Buddhism, however as you said it is lost on mainstream Christianity and religion today. And this is the problem. Furthermore I do not consider mysticism part of the religion itself but let's say you could theoretically. And let's say mysticism means direct experience or actuality. The foundation of religion is it is a belief system. So you would be essentially saying that you "believe" Truth can be found via mysticism (empirical investigation) And the distinction here is I"m not saying to do that..I'm simply saying hold no beliefs and conduct an empirical inquiry for yourself. Don't put that into a container called religion where you believe it may lead to Truth. Nothing is assumed but rather look at such things as "open curiosity" and let scientific exploration (empirical investigation) sort things out for you. I feel this is lost on most religion today. Even with Buddhism mysticism is baked into the belief system. And so I don't feel Actualized is a New Age Religion. I see it as ultimately science and spirituality must merge as all things must. Here you have a culmination of that. Galileo was a Christian but he went against the Church with his science and was excommunicated for it.

Why? You could be amazing at teaching something that doesn't have to necessarily mean it had to work for you. If it worked for 100 people and not yourself wouldn't you say it was effective? A football coach can be an amazing offensive coordinator it doesn't mean he had to be on the offensive line. It might be good for his resume but it doesn't mean he can't know it or teach it effectively. That's what Leo did with his earlier work which makes it rather remarkable.

I don't walk around with that label but the goal of the retreat is God realization. You have it or you don't. You're lucid as God or you aren't.

Well no I beg to differ. When I discovered Actualized.org I happened to stumble on these so called enlightened videos. So i listened. I was always an atheist but I stumbled on them when searching how to resolve boredom and meditation came up with Leo's videos. From there I stumbled on self inquiry and his first enlightenment videos where it was said that there is an illusion or something that can be found that most people on the planet have no consciousness of, I listened. But then out of mere curiosity and naivety i applied the self inquiry and other meditation practices encouraged to discover what the self was. Because paramount to realize what was really going on here (reality) It was stated the self was an illusion but that you must discover it for yourself by conducting an empirical investigation. Hmm..kinda scientific.. Religion does not encourage an empirical investigation at all. It also doesn't distinguish the difference between concept and actuality. And that just dwelling in actuality could bring about a shift in your awareness. So no religion teaches this. They just want you to adhere to a set of concepts and beliefs (for Christianity it is a figure named Jesus) and not discover what is true, which starts with what you yourself are. Example - Religions like Christianity take for granted or assume already that you are a soul. But if you actually question that premise deeply enough then you discover that the soul exists nowhere and is nothing but a thought. Christianity doesn't go this deep because it doesn't want to get that logical like science would. You see uncovering the Truth could never happen for a Christian because they aren't free enough to leverage science or an empirical investigation into things. It's all based on preconceived beliefs or assumptions that can never be questioned without fear of excommunication or worse. So Just like Galileo was a pioneer so should you be.

Actually he's excellent at self inquiry. Thats what enlightened me. I did my own self inquiry but it was his teachings that paved the way. It's just that he himself didn't get enlightened by it. So be very careful about that distinction. See..if he judges what he teaches by what worked for him he missed the mark. That is extremely tricky.

He better have the potion of the future then. Even one realization will send you reeling.