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Saying if is too Infinite to have a creator is no different than saying it has a creator. Infinity is the creator. Your trying to deny God while acknowledging God at the same time.

You need an awakening that Consciousness is Infinite.

The ultimate paradox. Can inifnity know infinity.

Intelligence is an Absolute like i was saying to him..it is a facet of Consciousness. Just like Consciousness is Infinite. And Infinity can stand on its own as an Absolute. Intelligence can stand on its own as an Absolute because it is Understanding. It is Consciousness fundamentally. At the same time it is still a facet.

If all is Mind than paradox exists. Your worldview is imbecile. The acknowledge of no self is fine but for you to say that everything else doesnt exist is sheer foolishness.

@Eskilon you do it every day at night. You create entire universes everyday.

Yes I experienced omniscience and dropped out of that state after a few minutes. But in that state I understood everything. Could I have created galaxies? Omniscience is that.

I think you brought up a good point. Friendship shouldn't be completely lost as a possibility just because all of us are selfish. Selflessness still is possible and thus friendship is still possible. But its rare.

No they arent. That's where the advantans go wrong. This No such thing as a dream is something you have manifested from ego. Your worldview would leave you a dumb imbecile. Not what reality intended. God is not that. God is intelligent with a mind that can think.

Thats because Consciousness includes all of nature. Consciousness itself is the same as reality itself or the Universe with a capital U. Its the Absolute. Reality is a giant mind. So it's alive - the chair is alive..the room is alive because it is all an aspect of Consciousness. Intelligence is an Absolute- it is a facet of Consciousness as is Love and Infinity. So you can look at Consciousness or reality from one facet or as a whole. So as a whole Intelligence and Consciousness are the same thing. But you can also look at it as a facet. Like a finger is to the hand. There are many facets to Intelligence too. You can be incredibly intelligent at doing science but clueless at spirituality. You can be extremely intuitive but cant read. You can be book smart but yet have no common sense. These are all examples of finite intelligence. Its very broad. But Infinite Intelligence as an Absolute is all knowing and omniscient. It is the one Infinite Mind in its purest state. It can spawn things into existence instantaneously, create entre galaxies out of thin air - and so on. Just as when you dream at night you are creating an entire reality of your own out of thin air.

Then we agree. But body is also the dream. There is only Mind. Body is made of nothing you can zoom into your hand forever. Just as the you is nothing.

Its not all roses. Im riddled with OCD. Most people who are genetically spirituality gifted - it comes with a price. Usually some type of.mental disorder.

Because it seems that you are afraid to make absolute statements about reality. Why should you limit yourself to not be able to do that? If reality is itself shouldn't you be able to make concrete statements about reality or is this not allowed in your worldview? For example ~ to the question of reality being eternal - what happens when your body dies? Can you answer that or do you think it doesnt need to be asked. If it doesnt need to be asked does that mean it can't be asked? And does that mean it can't be answered? Also the irony in your worldview is that you do make concrete statements about reality. You say it is itself but you say there is no creator and there is no eternal. That is a concrete statement that would suggest it is finite or that it isnt anything but itself. This is a position whether you want to acknowledge that or not.

@James123 so you can say it's not body or mind and just let it go but that's mind! That's a thought! Oh its not it just is. Well..yeah it just is. But what is that? Don't you care? It is certainly not atoms. You harndwave it off and say it doesnt matter yet you use mind everyday.

But you are not doing that because you are using Mind right now! See? Look at the rest that I added in previous post.

If you follow advaita then your soul or your ego is an illusion but it can be discovered that you are reality itself. It is non-duality as well so it will quickly lead you to discovering it is all imagination because it is consciousness not atoms. It is Mind not material. But it doesnt mean that that there shouldn't be rules to be followed in this particular dream. And things to care about and things to be real. Without that you have nothing. And yes what we are is nothing - but from nothing can be created something. So you only acknowledge half the circle.

Who fed you that? You have completely twisted advaita for your own egoic purpose.

You act like you have no attachments to this world but you do. I can easily tell because you use this forum. So something still makes you care. Otherwise you would starve as Ramana did in an endless state of samadhi. So don't sit here and preach to us like the you isn't there when it clearly still is. Its not a game to prove. When it permanently drops you won't be here.

Bullshit excuse. If he raped your daughter you would do something with your will.

Are you not going to lock up a rapist or let them run rampant.

In your words I see the brilliance of God. And you can see through the ego and see the trickery that is that brilliance. That is intelligence. The bird has a level of intelligence only necessary for survival. God gave humans a special gift - the ability to awaken. Could there be freak birds out there with insane intelligence? Maybe. But they can't communicate with us so that should tell you something.

Not antrophocentric he says its all God doing it and we have no free will. This is true in the sense that there is no difference between us and God but that also negates the belief we have no free will. If we are the universe then the will of the universe and our own is one. Now the question really becomes what @LEarn was talking about. Where is the ability to reason. I think this would be lost with species with lesser minds than humans. Because they lack the ability to self reflect. If you want to get deep you can also admit this is something you can only assume because you cannot confirm they' have consciousness.

Yes I have but I have it all the time waking and dreaming. What was your exact experience can you describe?

I removed my last response because I think I acted on emotions. The thing is if you seek you actually will seek yourself out of existence. That's actual spirituality. But no one wants to do it. The psyche patient gets banished because maybe they've seen a glimpse but the doctors haven't and its not accepted. The spiritual teacher does it in a crafty way so that is accepted in society. Acceptance in society is critical in the world we live in. But if you actually dive deep enough you will find.

@Hojo this is correct and yet the illusion remains that we have a will and in so we do have a will..just the same as it is all imagination and yet because there is nothing else this becomes reality by default. We feel like we are making the choice to go left or right so what is the difference then between us and God. As long as we feel and think we are doing it isn't this as good as we are doing it even if absolutely speaking it is the Universe? And now you get to the punch line. If that is the case then perhaps there is no difference between us and the universe.