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@herghly dude...this is not absolute infinity. Absolute infinity is becoming completely consciousness that you are complete nothingness which cannot be expressed by words. You must directly experience complete nothingness which is what you are. Thats infinity.

@Aakash thats what memory loss is. As to the knowledge point remember awakening is direct experience. Knowledge is just concept. Once its gone you are back in the direct experience of your ego and its gonna fight like hell to ensure the memory of that direct experience fades. And it will make you doubt it is real. Thats why you must have another direct experience of the absolute. Thats all you cam do because everything else is illusion.

@Aakash its ego backlash. When you become conscious of the absolute truth it is a huge threat to your ego...nay..to your very own existence. So your ego will kick into high gear and use self deception to make you forget non-dualism ever existed. Its a difficult period. Just ground yourself in consciousness work. Once you have had an enlightenment experience it never can be undone..you have been opened up. It may appear to have closen because that's what the ego wants you to believe....but continue the work and eventually one day you will break through again. It will be even harder this time so you must continue to do the work.

Existence is pure relativity so everything you hear is a story and in order for you to find the answer you must experience it for yourself. The answer in your perspective is the answer....in your perspective. But your perspective is all there is. Litetally. Take the stories and leverage them and make your decision whether you want a direct experience or not. Only then will you have the answer.

@EvilAngel your higher than them but you have room to grow still to become understanding of the unconscious. Have you had an enlightenment experience?

So i have seen a lot of references to Joe Rogans podcast on here and so i started listening to him. His show is actually entertaining and i consider him a good source of learning about different celebrities out there and also their thoughts on different topics. However as great as all of this is i still view it as 2nd order because he does not understand spirituality. So his show is great for learning more about the dream..but its still 2nd order to enlightenment and spiritually/mysticism. Still he seems to be a very intelligent guy and a guy who is a thinker. Yet i would still not place him at stage yellow. He seems to be a highly evolved orange. I'm not posting this to judge or put down Joe Rogan because i think his show is above everything ive seen from orange yet. The interviews are lengthy and they cover often deep and fascinating topics. So its almost like he is in between the shallow orange stage and the stage of deep wisdom which includes spirituality and enlightenment. I havent listened to enough of his stuff yet to really see his views on politics but it seems he has absolutely no concept of non-duality and what quantum physics is pointing to even though he has discussed quantum physics on his show before. He almost reminds me of an intellectual Howard Stern lol.

To Leo's point thats how reality actually IS. Its an absolute relativity. So in your perspective that IS reality. In your perspective. And your perspective is all there is! Are you getting this? Good. Now you can enjoy the ride.

@SQAAD negative bro. Its experience. Its being itself. Cant describe it. Now science can learn THAT. Only when enlightenment becomes mainstream which is hundreds of years from now. Thats when science and spirituality will merge into the new "science"

@Joseph Maynor great topic. You are correct. One can have enlightenent experiences in any physical position. It actually comes when it wants to. I meditate prone as well but only when I'm sore or don't have the energy to sit up. I enjoy the act of meditation better in an upright position - its something about the blood flow that makes me feel more present. That said when i became enlightened i had multiple experiences after the initial while prone...in fact it made no difference. I even had one sitting in my arm chair. So it makes no difference. The problem is after you become enlightened. Then the ego shuts the shit down because your very survival hinges on it. But that is another matter. Ha.

"There is nothing to fear but fear itself." -FDR Its an illusion. But then again everything is an illusion. If that wasn't the case the materialist paradigm would ring true.

@Tom T Enlightenment does not come from where you live it comes from how you live. You are trying to invoke physical suffering but i do not think it will be authenitic suffering..let me explain. Enlightenment comes after you become aware of years of your own selfishness and deception and your striving for honesty and truth. It also comes from years of suffering..suffering from the ramifications of that selfishness. It comes when you awake to this and begin to change it. With years of change and self reflection it will come. Now if you feel you are not selfish and have not suffered enough then look deep within yourself. You will find it. If not time will reveal it.

@Paul92 This is such a good question. It is very much like what Tony said about not knowing that you don't know. You will go through life never experiencing the Truth with a capital T. And that my friend, would be a crying shame. Because to become being itself will make all of this work worthwhile tenfold snd the 95 % time you think you are happy inside won't hold a candle to it. That is what we are striving for and once we achieve a glimpse we gain momentum and deepen it. Either way my friend you are now aware of the path and you are aware that there is something more..Truth..being. you cannot go back now so walk the path with courage.

Because you are God tricking yourself into forgetting who you are - for the purpose of trying to figure out who you are.

Ultimately the world will accept the new definition of science. Mysticism and materialism will merge into what will be the new science. In essence this already happened with the founding fathers of quantum physics but is too radical right now for the common ego to accept. Unless you are at the genius level these guys were or you have an enlightenment experience you cannot grasp the true meaning of science. Science in its completion can only point to the Truth it cannot formulate it in a mathematic equation. We are still hundreds of years if not thousands of years away from this.

Excellent. You are on the path. Remember it comes in time. In good time. In that time you will experience suffering. And you will experience. Period. That is what is needed for enlightenment. And it will only come with an open mind and not expecting it. Good luck brother. Wisdom is not found enlightenment. Enlightenment may be found in wisdom.

You know if you are enlightened. It just is. The only grey area would be your ego trying to dispute it.

I believe he stated he is working on a book. Regardless...in what context do you believe that would take him to the next level? It really depends on what your definition of the next level is.

@Leo Gura indeed engaging in a rant like that would only hinder your own development as well as others listening I can see you are becoming more conscious even in the last few months.

@Leo Gura Keep up the great work it is greatly appreciated. The thing most do not undetstand is that Leo didn't make all of these teachings up..they have been here for thousands of years and you can become conscious of the Truth for yourself. Leo cannot show you this only you can see it for yourself. Leo just has the gift of being able to take all of these teachings and bring them to life for us with his videos..and I'm sure this gift takes hours on hours of work, thought, and preparation. So when those come who wish to spout something other than the truth we must bring down the hand of wisdom for the good of us all so that the innocent ones are not deceived or robbed of what the Truth that they may otherwise come to see, is. That is all Leo is doing. This forum is not about Leo. It is about truth and i applaud him for doing what is necessary.

@EvilAngel jesus was enlightened and when you become enlightened it is usually after some degree of suffering but also you must not be grounded in a particular paradigm or belief. You must be as ego free as possible. So yes its possible. Whether this guy was just spouting crap is also possible. If he was truly enlightened you would be able to tell after spending some time with him.

@SoonHei Hello brother. Add in self inquiry and existence inquiry. In your direct experience try to vanquish the materialist paradigm and you will see it come to pass. Continue to practice the do nothing method, but since thoughts must come, make them about self inquiry and meta physics. Contemplate the source of reality and existence. Work and build your intuition. One must have a powerful intuition in order to break thru to enlightenment because intuition will lead to becoming consciousness of your true self. Force it not. Remember it will reveal itself only when you are ready. But to be ready is not to think about being ready. It must happen when its ready to happen. Good luck on your journey brother and remember enlightenment does not yield wisdom but wisdom does yield enlightenment.

Preface: You will not truly grasp this unless you are awakened and you're ego is fighting for survival...and yes you can be enlightened and still have an ego. I don't give a fuck what anyone says about that. Until you are dead you have an ego. So in my preface I've already answered my own question. Or have i? Therein lies the strange loop. And here it is: Is our enlightenment simply taking consciousness to it's limits. What if there is something beyond consciousness itself? What if we just found a satisfying answer to why is there something out of nothing? And if a tree falls with no one there does it make a sound? (Does an object exist without a perceiver) What if the object does exist but its not the answer of the universe is consciousness itself but there is something outside of consciousness itself but we can't grasp it because we are consciousness. The only time i knew this not to be true was when i experienced infinity and enlightenent in my direct experience. When I'm back in my ego this question remains. (You can say i just answered my own question but did i? I can't bring the certainty back unless i have another mystical experience. So now i doubt that consciousness itself is all there is. But then i think to myself how can there be anything else but nothing and or something so it has to be true. I'm not suggesting the materialist paradigm here..thats long gone. Im suggesting that we just came up with "an answer" because we took it to the limit. And the limit is enlightenment itself. But what if there is something outside of consciousness? Is this just my ego or is this the strange loop itself? This is a rhetorical question because all of you guys are consciousness itself..including leo and myself so therefore there is nothing BUT enlightenent and consciousness...as far as we know!!! So it has to be true...but what if its not? Did i answer my own question?

Thanks for the share dude.

too funny - we need some of him waving his hands around and then looking at his hands too, saying "Look at the beauty of reality" LOL

@Joseph Maynor It's definitely a journey we must travel alone.