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@Lister language can't capture it and ultimately collapses. Its just pointing to it but it isn't it. It is IS. Pure isness is a good description but a description and concept nevertheless. I think thats what you guys are saying. So its not wrong for him to say his God that's true. But as he says it he has to realize that that is just pointing to something. I think he does. I'm not sure if he has had an awakening but if not he seems to have a good understanding of it from a conceptual perspective. Which is as close as you can get with language and concept.

@Pouya are you kind of asking the question that when you enter a non dual state - lets say in this case by your physical death, which is actually a physical death within a conceptual death because the physicality is happening within a Mind...are you wondering how long You as God/Being would remain in this state before you respawn as something finite? If that's the question that bothered me too until i realized that its happening outside of time and space. Its infinity so its all happening all at once, it already happened, and it never happened. How's that for a Mind fuck? So to God this question has no meaning. To the small you whether you are a tree or a person you'll just be there.

@Leo Gura and so it must be! @andyjohnsonman remember relative to your ego whose sole focus is on your survival..nothingness is gonna seem the oppositie of everything that it actually is! Keep in mind that You with a capital Y made it that way so that the small you can even exist!

As long as it doesn't make you sleepy.

@Anirban657 i always do eyes open i find that if i focus on some object it will literally start zig zagging left and right when I've got awareness locked on awareness.

@Conrad no no! the idea of Highest is gone forever! The sandcastle of highest as dissolved back into the Infinite Sand. But the idea of Conrad was always there you just had to see it with your Minds eye. More negative space in the sponge haha

@seeking_brilliance you guys are merciless

@Conrad Welcome back brother

@Key Elements Ok..but even if you didn't mean that its still an interesting question. Right now 99% or whatever the number is of the population doesn't even accept that enlightenment or the paradigm of Idealism is even real so we are really far away from a discussion on whether or not enlightenment should be induced (if there was such a thing - personally i would intuit that pyschedelics would not be an automatic enlightenment tool but i could be wrong. My awakening was a lifetime in the making and did not happen on psychedelics. Anyway i don't wanna twist this post into something else but i do think it would be an interesting discussion on ethics when society evolved to the point where it would even happen.

@Key Elements Ahh...inducing enlightenment...is it morally correct..one day i predict that is going to be one hell of a debate.

@Truth Addict yes its totally a personal choice and you are right she should pursue happiness and if forgoing spirituality brings her happiness than thats what she should do. Those are very wise words. That's why i don't force my wife to get into spirituality. She respects that i do it but she doesn't believe in it because heck..that's how most of the world is. They are materialists. Of course you can be an idealist and not meditate..that's also fine. I was just intuiting that there is a spiritual side to her and that she is interested in continuing the work but something is pulling her away. But I'm just going on what I've intuited from her post. She should pursue happiness first and foremost and you don't need to be enlightened to be happy...but for me it was everything because i had such a big fear of emptiness and looked for happiness in the "external objective world" when i discovered it was me the whole time.

@mandyjw mine didn't melt away for good either it was just during the mystical experience which lasted a few weeks. It came back with the Ego

@Peter124 there's a lot to unpack here but to start with have you tried medication such as benzos or SSRIs or both to calm the anxiety? What you want is to be in a state of mind where everything is not sooo serious and causing you constant worry. You see anxiety literally smothers the rest of your brain from opening up and working. When you remove the anxiety your mind will open up and you will just start making shit happen..you won't be getting lost in what ifs...you will just be present and doing it. But anxiety cripples this ability in a person. If you fear getting on these try Modafinil. It is the so called limitless drug. I havent tried it yet but I'm going to. It may increase focus where you are so dialed in your mind doesn't have time to worry or think about what could happen. Also put free will on the barnburner..this is a very tricky and paradoxical topic. For now throw it away and know that you have free will.

@mandyjw Hi Mandy Well i have had Pure OCD my whole life..obsessive thoughts and mental compulsions. Those of us wired like this tend to get lost in too much thinking and concept. But in some crazy way (no pun intended lol) i noticed that at the time we are deeply spiritual and sensitive..and loving. When our OCD isn't giving us monkey mind on steroids we actually can be quite spiritually gifted. Its a very interesting paradox or duality if you will. That said...when i had my enlightenment experience as I've talked about a lot on this forum it was pure certainty. OCD melted away. It was pure bliss. So i would say that yeah it's in our nature to be pulled away from actuality (spirituality which includes meditation) to getting lost in concept whether for good or ill. So i think there needs to be a balance and i would encourage you to try and not lose that balance between actuality - Being with a capital B - ie formlessness and form. There needs to be a sort of unification of the two which of course requires the spiritual work. So keep on chugging Nice to talk to you as well i will check out your actualize me post on the other section as well..it looked interesting.

@Derek White yes continue it because it can lead to a mystical experience.

@RichardY theres a lot of different forms and degrees of it. What he is describing is mild and has no physical compulsions.

@Buba Pure O means there are no physical compulsions. There is only mental compulsions and that for me is going Meta and repeating to myself in mind that this is OCD. Until it passes. And yourself?

@zeroISinfinity cool i hear ya bud Sometimes a break is exactly what is needed. Balance is everything.

@rorghee it takes work but its technique that led to my awakening and it was that very video that i first found that started me on this journey. The idea is for you to look inside and find peace within yourself. Addiction is the fear of emptiness. And as ego's we want to fill this void with external materials. But counterintuitively it is Being that will ultimately fend off addiction but it takes hard work. So when you face the emptiness head on the addictive feelings pass. You have to keep doing it and it will get better. It could actually lead to enlightenment too if you are also doing self inquiry techniques.

@zeroISinfinity that's pure Ego talking. Pursue both. Pursue your egos personal agenda for survival but do it gradually increasing your consciousness until your levels of consciousness are so high that it will ultimately bring you a much more profound level of happiness than you would ever get pursuing money and women (just using these as examples) without spiritual growth which is wisdom. It will give you a more holistic sense of personal growth and actualization. Oh and you can still have to the smoking hot blond but you will also understand that looks really mean nothing in the big picture

@CreamCat God is an infinite fractile frozen in time (outside of time and space). So You already did it..Your doing it now and it never even happened all at the same time. These are not just Leo's words you can become directly conscious of it. Total mind fuck. Just like this moment right now is eternal.

@SQAAD Yeah, OCD has been called the Doubt Disorder. What are you describing is OCD to the tee - and their are mild forms of it such as what I have which allows me to still be highly functional - provided that I became self aware of my OCD and can go Meta on it when i identify it. It's soooo very sneaky though that it will morph into different shapes and forms in order to sneak itself by you so that you are not aware it's OCD and you get lost in concepts and illusion which is what OCD wants you to have. There is self deception and there is OCD which is much worse and frequent, although symptoms can come and go. I still have mild symptoms but i'm able to identify it so quickly now that it has lost most of it's control over me. It will still sneak something in now and then. But work on the technique of realizing these thoughts are irrational, some call them synthetic thoughts (not thoughts coming from you) although after getting into spiritual work i realized that is kinda the deal with all thoughts...but these are just magnified. So practice the technique of recognizing the triggers and recognizing when the thoughts come - go Meta on them and tell yourself in your mind that is this OCD. You may have to repeat this to yourself over and over until it passes, or Meditate using the Do Nothing technique, which may cause anxiety at first since you are working on having the thoughts and emotions move through you until they pass, much like an addiction. Medication can also help too relative to the ego - and here's why i bring that up. Awakening/Enlightenment is pure Certainty, it's one of the most wonderful things you can experience as a human being - actually it is the most wonderful. Your OCD and anxiety will completely melt away during this experience. So you should practice the techniques and spirituality work because it will help with your anxiety/obsessive thoughts. (Notice I do not want to stigmatize anyone by sayin they "have OCD" as that is purely a relative thought. In fact in order for you to overcome "OCD" you can't think of yourself as actuallying having it, because then you are getting lost in concept. You just have to be present and self aware when it comes up and then move on back into the present moment. The key with obsessive thoughts is it is pulling you away from actuality and the present moment into delusion. So the more you ground yourself in actuality the better you will be.

@Buba immoral thoughts and/or thoughts of doing something completely irrational was the bulk of it (what was interesting is a lot if was what my own subconscious considers immoral.

@Athemnajar have you tried Benzos or other meds? Self awareness of when the obsessive thoughts appear, identifying them, and then dismissing them as synthetic thoughts is a good technique. OCD is self deception on steroids. You have to constantly go meta on it but the more you do this technique the better you will get. Same with any emotions the thoughts cause..such as guilt. None of it is real and its all illusion. I've had Pure O for years but now i just lump it with self deception that everyone has..we just have it worse. See Leo's series on Self Deception as well.

@SQAAD do these obsessive thoughts just pop up out of nowhere or from certain triggers? You might have OCD which i know a lot about. Its self deception on steroids. Realize that these are thoughts and let them pass. They have no meaning and are not real.