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@cetus56 dream meditation

Not sure one can do that at will... Just like one cannot see through this dream whenever they want to. Enlightenment just happens on its own. Inside the dream it appears real - its only after you awake that you realize it was an illusion. From inside the matrix one cannot know they are in the matrix. A fish in water doesn't know its in water. Lucid dreaming probably happens spontaneously.

Sorry just saw this. Thats exactly right. It is One so it collapses in both directions. Formlessness is itself, so in order to be itself it collapses into Form. So you get the perceiver - which is ultimately an illusion since its substance is nothing. So the perceiver has coopted Being or formlessness. The collapse back into Being is the dissolution of the perceiver into its purest form - the formless or pure potential, where the perceiver was a particular possibility. This is mysticism or eniightenment in which the perceiver dissolves and God reveals Absolutes to itself. The perceiver was the relative. Also The present moment absent of thought is pure consciousness or the formless. The form is imagination and concept.

@Nahm ***hugs***

@StarStruck yes but try to be absent of thought...so it doesn't matter if you are looking at a clock or outside. Just staring at the wall may be easier to connect with Being. As Being is the absence of thought or anything. Looking outside may make it more difficult for someone new to this to "not know". You will notice you can't go more than 30 seconds without a thought..its hard. So bring your awareness back on awareness or consciousness itself when that happens. At some point you should feel a type of Kundalini type energy flow through you. I call Kundalini Being. It is the beginning of the collapse of the ego into Being in my direct experience. This may not happen after one sitting but keep at it.

@LiberatedMonkey 8 hrs is incredible man hats off. Most people can't sit and do nothing for more than 5 minutes LOL (when not forced). Yes the do nothing method is extremely powerful and it was the very first method of meditation i tried because i found Leo after looking into an alcohol addiction and wanting to fix it. I knew he was onto something. Simply Being and doing nothing in the face of a craving will bring suffering and withdrawal symptoms. If you can sit and suffer through cravings long enough eventually they subside. It leads to great growth for beating addictions. But its also good for spiritual growth. You may have tapped into something spiritual there or mystical and the ego reacted out of that way in a survival defense mechanism. Either way bravo. That's how you do it. I used that and self inquiry when i first started in spirituality. Again originally to beat an addiction.

@Shaun can you try just Being and living in present with no overly conceptualizing? Im not a Dr but maybe anxiety meds might help if it gets so bad you can't function.

@whoareyou i exposed him as a troll. I knew what he was the moment i saw his posts. I didn't stalk you down...i had a discussion with you and you spent the entire time insulting me. Go back and read it.

@Salvijus no i seriously haven't seen his posts on it...I've only been a member since November of 2018.

@Arhattobe oh no thats fine i totally understand.

@Umar_uk now your'e catchin' on!

@Umar_uk pistols at dawn

@Umar_uk no..we are having a duality war. You are not seeing that duality and non-duality are One. Duality is a part within non-duality. You as little Umar are a finitude of Infinity. Its fine I'm hitting the sack for now so it's all good.

@Umar_uk the mind is a slither of the Mind. (Capital M) Its One. form and the formless are identical. You are in the Non-dual only realm again - that's a trap.

@Umar_uk you are awareness and you are Infinite, so of course you can shift perspectives. That's all this reality - awareness - or consciousness is - whatever perspective it is Being, is literally what it is.

@Nahm sounds like you are describing the collapse of the perceiver into pure being..ultimate bliss and mystical shift into formlessness...ego death.

@Umar_uk that's pure Being/Isness (formlessness...the absolute infinity of infinity, pure potential.. Non-dual awareness is a shift in awareness or perspective where you are no longer you as little Umar. Little Umar is not directly conscious he is awareness or God when is is being Umar directly. When Umar can shift awareness to where he is no longer Umar but he is God directly conscious that this is all in his Mind. That is what is meant by non-dual awareness. One can have a mystical experience in which the ego dissolves into pure being in which one becomes this perspective in full as God. I call it the realization of Oneness.

@Arhattobe Can you describe the post awakening process then? I'm open ears.

@Nahm thats why i was saying that whatever your perspective is. Is literally what reality becomes. Its really amazing.

@Nahm yes what i mean by dual awareness is my Egos perspective...when in this perspective I'm not directly conscious i am God in the now. I'm just being me as my small self. But when i shift awareness i am directly conscious of me as God and this whole thing is in my Mind. Capital M. Since reality is a Mind. In that instant I'm not the small me. You can't be conscious of both perspecives simultaneously in human form. The formless is the collapse of all form into pure isness which is what you are. But both form and formless are identical as One.

@Arhattobe i kinda scrolled back and read the full post again because admittedly i jumped in just reading the few at the end. So let me ask you..in terms of purifying the ego..ive noticed with myself that i am more conscious now after my awakening experiences..the most powerful and last one being Oneness..conscious that i am alone and that all of this is being imagined by me as God. Also that i would be every possible perspective. Both of these happened to me during the same awakening. Now after rebirth i have a much deeper awareness. The cravings i had eventually returned..though lessened. But now i am able to work with these and conquer them much more effortlessly. But that work is not in itself mystical..its consciousness work. The mystical experiences yielded a more fuller awareness now where i can shift awareness and be conscious that all of reality is in my mind. So i dont believe purification of the ego is the same as Awakening. But awakening makes it very easy to be self aware of any so called flaws with the ego..because it allows you to see through the ego..and all of reality at this point. There is also the perspective the ego is perfect just the way it is. One doesn't have to do any work unless they so choose. You are perfect as God just the way you are. So that is a choice.

@Arhattobe What have you experienced directly...in terms of mystical experiences. Because you don't want to get caught up in a story of Jesus from two thousand years ago. What i am telling you is coming from my own direct experience.

@Arhattobe There is both dual and non-dual awareness. Of course this isn't the same as the formless or pure Being because there is still form.

Would make sense. The ego doesn't get enlightened. The ego dies. God enlightens himself. In the case where there is still human form the ego is reborn as both the ego and God. They are split but one simultaneously.

@ajasatya Oh i do...i see both perspectives. If that came off as arrogant it was not my intent. That's what non-dual awareness is all about. That's what allows you to play in the sandbox.