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Yes it just depends on what you call awakening or eniightenment. A traditional definition is one who has become the formless and returned to form. One who has become directly conscious that they were pure consciousness. Becoming directly conscious that they are pure consciousness is the same as saying they became pure consciousness. Pure consciousness is Being / Absolute Infinity / isness etc. There are many words for the Absolute. All words can only point to it because it is nothing. Not the word nothing, or what you imagine nothing to be in your mind - all of that is still something - but actual nothing. Actual nothing cannot be imagined or thought.

@traveler God only has itself to share itself with ??

They could only be making estimations using intuition and feeling. Talking with the individual and getting a feel for them. One who has rode the Ox can usually intuit another who has rode the Ox - but that's as far as they could ever go. Once cannot know for sure because Truth cannot be known - it is Being.

Absolute Truth is prior to knowing and its prior to proof. It is intimate. It's the miracle that can only be shared with yourself. That's the tragedy but also the beauty of Truth. If it were any other way it wouldn't be the Absolute.

@Debil if you have a mystical experience in which you become directly conscious that you are consciousness itself you be will conscious of the answer directly. But only then. That's what we traditionally call enlightenment. You will be conscious that consciousness is fundamental and that you are consciousness imagining you are a human. Until then this is heresay.

@V-8 Haha. Keep em coming I'm starting to like it :)??

Think about it - go back to your principals of mentalism. If reality is one mind - then reality comes to be via the mind thinking or imagining. As soon as it has an idea - let's say the idea of a human. The idea becomes separate from the mind itself, but it is still within the mind. And it's made of the mind stuff. The human is just a section of this mind. The human then has an idea - to create language. See how language is also separate now and also within? If the human somehow could realize it was the mind stuff it could realize there is nothing separating it from being the whole mind. It just has to imagine itself out of existence and unite back with the mind..?

Careful not to twist words around. If reality is a mind - then reality is consciousness. Consciousness is God (its intelligence, Love, etc). What consciousness imagines still is God. The part is still the whole because its all one thing. All of the parts being imagined (everything) are also still the whole.

Duality - separation - is included and within non-duality. Language is dualistic. It is itself separation. So you can use any wording you want to, you just have to clarify whether you are speaking of I as pure Infinity (God) , or a finitude of infinity, the small I (part of God). You don't have to use we to refer to that which is non-dual. You can if you want but it seems to make it more confusing to me. Right now when i say you i mean the part of God. Duality within non-duality. And still language can only point to the Absolute because it is separate from the Absolute in itself. Trying to make it the Absolute by having perfect wording is a lost cause. Its like using something dualistic and then saying you can't say certain things because they are dualistic, when the mechanism you are using is dualistic.

its the same as what you just posted on the principle of mentalism. That reality is a mind. Just different wording.

Yeah. There is no right or wrong here as to whether anything has to happen further at all. It was always clear to me even when you were on the forum way back that you have had powerful mystical glimpses. Most people have never even got close to that. If you are content at this point, than that is how it should be.

@WelcometoReality yah. There can't even be a physical tree outside of consciousness because in order for there to be anything it has to first be in your consciousness. Everything is held within consciousness. The materialist paradigm has it so backwards.

Thats the beauty of this design. You can do whatever you want. As i mentioned earlier and one of the other posts - there is nothing wrong being your perspective as @Highest. That is how it should be. It should be loved. You are all good bro.

Well said as well! ??

I don't see a difference anymore. I am just consciousness.

@SoonHei indeed. @Synchronicity indeed. This essence of which @SoonHei speaks is (consciousness). One must transcend the belief that reality is physical to get this far. Consciousness is mystical. Consciousness is singular. To be singular is to be infinite. To be infinite is to be formless. Formlessness can limit itself to a particular form. It must shapeshift or imagine itself into a particular finite form in order to experience itself. The finite form is still God, but God in limited form. The purpose of the form is to be that form - not to be unlimited. All of this is just concept until one becomes directly conscious of what it's essence is by collapsing its shape or form back into formlessness. Which is possible to do if desired enough. One then becomes conscious it is consciousness - leaving only consciousness. The formless will then return to its form This is dying before you die. But the form, being finite, will ultimately collapse back into formlessness. Only formlessness is eternal. To become directly conscious of this is to become eternal or immortal. So, you are God, but you are God in limited form. You have sectioned yourself off, but the section is imaginary. You just to have to make a shift in consciousness to see that form is formlessness from the highest perspective. From the form's perspective it is just form. So to say you are not God is doing so from your perspective. But for the awakened or the immortal, they have expanded consciousness by shifting past the section or the part and shattering it.

Do you grasp what you quote here? This means ultimately you must transcend all of which you ever posted and quoted. Throw all of it out and become it. The Absolute is to merge with reality itself and become reality. Become the Absolute. To become conscious that you ARE the present moment. When that happens intellect will melt away and something mystical happens. Because reality / you, are fundamentally mystical. Thus you become reality itself (which you always were but were not directly conscious that you were consciousness). Becoming directly conscious that you are consciousness is simply put, IT. The you (the relative) and the Absolute become one and you are IT. That's awakening my friend. The Absolute transcends all models - that, as you said, (or quoted) is intellect (thought) Yes, you stand on the shoulders of giants, but be careful not to lean on them too much - or you will forever be standing on them. Good luck on the journey my friend

Fine, enjoy it. But you will be stuck here forever. Also maybe illusion isn't the right word - maybe imagination is better. Either way it's going to fly over your head until you do self inquiry / meditation / etc.

And btw, it exists, but it exists as illusion. When it comes to form, illusion is all there is. It IS reality (formed reality)

Come on guys. Up the quality of the posts.

This is something you heard and are regurgitating. It's not something you are directly conscious of. Try doing self inquiry and see what you truly believe you are, currently .

What we are referring to is mystical. The you dissolves and you become actuality or pure experience. You BECOME experience itself. It's mystical and again can't be captured properly with words

**repeat** Language really breaks down when trying to accurately capture Truth.

LOL. This isn't going to move you closer to Truth I'm afraid. You'll need to transcend all language for that. Language really breaks down when trying to accurately capture Truth.