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You stated in another post that you did self inquiry to realize that there is no you. That the you is merely an idea but there is nothing there. That is what we mean. And in doing this you experienced an awakening - but of course it wasn't the illusory self that experienced it. Because it doesn't exist. What realized it was experience itself. Or, AKA Consciousness. Or AKA God. Because the you is an illusion which collapsed upon the realization... So who else is there to realize it? You had to realize it Yourself not through someone telling you that it is the case. Thus all we can do is point at it with these teachings. Now of course, all is relative, so if you don't consider that a practice (which i believe you stated you don't) that's fine. But most of us consider this a practice.

Indeed, question everything including your own current paradigm that you identify with - i.e your own identity. But be careful not to conflate questioning with shutting out - because you won't know unless you have an open mind, and explore it fully and completely by not only reading the literature and listening to the teachings, but by doing the practices. And the practices must be done with a complete lack of bias otherwise Truth will not reveal itself. Absolute Truth is known experientially not through concept. It is prior to concept. It is Being.

When God appears as form, it must become finite. The reason It appears as a particular form is to experience itself, out of love for itself, but in doing so it must become the opposite of it's true nature. It must forget what it is and become a devil. Something finite has to survive as a self. It has to be selfish. God (You) provisioned the ego with a mechanical, robotic aspect of this finite form in order to ensure its survival. If it didn't it would die very fast. Thus there are certain survival mechanisms of the ego which are really selfish and devilish such as the need for more and more, and more - it can never have enough out of fear of death. It has a built in sex drive and a built in desire for pleasure - all of which can spiral out of control. Again it was programmed this way by God so that it could survive long enough to know itself. But once God awakens to itself it becomes conscious of this. God realizes its God appearing as form. It is conscious that it can still experience itself as form without isolating itself completely from itself. It can still survive as form without such things as dishonesty, selfishness, and never being satisfied. (Seeking outside itself) It does need a certain level of selfishness simply to survive but it can be possible to be a healthy level..( a healthy level relative to its alignment with its true nature) It can exist as form and be hyper conscious of the toxic tendencies of the ego and still experience itself and embrace itself as form Because if it did not do this, and it simply denied form altogether, while that would be one way of experiencing itself, knowing itself, and loving itself, it ultimately would be incomplete. After an infinite number of incarnations God must ultimately come to the realization of accepting itself and loving itself as form because that is also a type of experiencing and knowing itself. So in the end God is impartial. It loves itself in all of its forms. But it needs to forget this in order to learn it.

@Canyon more or less is a duality and thus relative. So from the Absolute perspective it doesnt matter. What is more or less important is what is relative to you. You're the one giving it meaning. Meaning lives through you.

@MAYA EL for once we agree @student A teacher or a guru can only point in the direction of the Absolute. Because in truth it is just You trying to wake Yourself up. This path must be walked alone because alone You are. It can only be You that awakens to You. You are the only thing in existence so anyone You rely on for help is You. But it is only after You awake that You become conscious of total Oneness.

Seeing the issue IS dying. The direct insight is a state of samadhi. Becoming directly conscious of it IS Pure Consciousness. That is a mystical, non-dual state. Knowing it conceptually is still ego. He may not have had the direct insight yet.

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Well said - such is the dilemma of God ?

He has not had direct experience of Truth- in other words he hasn't died yet. He has fallen into a belief and is now falsely teaching others and attempting to delude others.

It is not the small self that becomes enlightened it is God. The spiritual path if followed will ultimately lead to the collapse of the subject/object duality into Pure Being (a mystical experience). God wakes up to itself and becomes conscious of one or many facets of itself. Such can be what its true nature is, or that the human form it is appearing as is but an illusion created by itself with which to experience itself. But there are many other realizations/facets of itself One can have. They can sprout later from the initial mystical experience or manifest from another mystical experience. The amount of mystical states One may have is not relevant. In duality the work really begins where one who has awakened then works towards embodying these truths. One then has no need to seek non-dual states because they realize their true nature transcends the duality of the form and the formless. The form and the formless are One.

you as the small self are finite consciousness...a slither of Infinite Consciousness. The You is Infinite Consciousness with a capital C. So yes You have divided Yourself. So your consciousness expands to much higher levels - beyond normal human levels, during a mystical or non-dual state of consciousness. This is because the part collapses into the whole. When the ego returns, consciousness levels gradually return to the "normal" level but your consciousness has also shifted permanently in that it's still finite, but it is a notch higher than before. And you're right, direct experience is king. But that doesn't mean we need to forgo all concept either. We can still teach about this stuff in the relative but what is conceptual should always be prefaced with the fact that the map is not the territory and one should find the direct experience.

@Aaron p awesome man

@Urgency by waking up from it

To me the double slit experiment is analogous to the relative and the Absolute. The Absolute cannot be grasped by the relative. Light is both a wave and a particle but you can't catch it as both simultaneously. If you want to see if its a wave and leave both slits open it will act like a wave. If you want to see if its a particle and cover one slit it will oblige and act like a particle. Ya just can't catch it as both because the very act of performing the experiment forces it into one or the other. Or with quantum mechanics in general a wave/particle is in a superposition when unobserved. But as soon as you observe it the wave function collapses into a particular particle. You cannot capture the wave function in its super position because as soon as you try it collapses. So you can't get to the Absolute with science of course but you can glean stuff from it. Ya have to become a mystic and collapse yourself from the finite to the infinite

Any predictions on what Iran will do next?

Ok...continue to contemplate and meditate If you do...you may discover something different. You stumbled on a very special place here.

I'm not forgoing human essence - I'm just conscious of Truth. I'm conscious that i can take the form of a human - or a dog - or whatever form i shift into to experience myself as God. I do not judge. I only have love for myself. I'm even you. So how can i judge myself?

No..lol. I'm just awake and you aren't.

You are lost. You need direct realization of your true nature - which is Infinity. You are not a human. Thats something you dreamed up.

What can be outside of Infinity? Infinity includes everything. But i know what you are pointing to. Mind or knowing. But that is part of infintiy. Infinity is not physical so Consciousness with a capital C is used because reality is a Mind. It is not a physical objective reality. It is simply everthing. In which it must be nothing.

Infinity and consciousness is the same thing. What you are describing is duality - distinction. This is still infinity. Pure infinity is the complete lack of distinction which is pure Love. But distinction is still infinity just in a particular finite form. Pure infinity is formless. Its nothing. But what is nothing is everything and can shapeshift into anything it wants.

It is possible to become directly conscious of Truth. Of course - it is quantum...it is similar to quantum mechanics. In quantum mechanics, a "particle" is in a superposition until the wave function is collapsed. Thus you cannot determine both its position and velocity simultaneously. So if i say you can know, it is does not help you because you haven't collapsed the wave function Only with infinity it is collapsing it in reverse. From a particular possiblity to the superposition.

An additional exercise you can do is to gaze at one of the fingers. Acknowledge it as the finger. Then shift your consciousness and see the finger as the entire hand. Notice how it is the finger and the hand simultaneously, and it is being one or the other relative to perspective. That shift in consciousness or perspective is the shift between the relative and the Absolute. All of reality is right there in your hand.

Beautiful. This is the key that unlocks the highest wisdom.

@joeyi99 very nice.