Inliytened1

What would it be?

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Awakening is something that comes from within. It's independent of whether you use a substance or meditate. It is the same.

@yetineti have you thought about leaving the body and what consciousness would be body free? Curious.

Thats exactly right.

Mmkay.

Ok..ill give you that..the two eventually intertwine. That's what led to quantum mechanics. But the point is that it doesn't change the content. Structure vs content is what we are concerned with here. The content will be the same. Ultimately if you study the content hard enough it will lead you to the structure.

Lol.

Look! Study the dream! This is where Einstein shines. Leo shines by showing you it's a dream. And then he hands it to Einstein. You guys think that the two are related? Only that God designed it! What's inside the dream and whether or not it works has nothing to do with the fact that its a dream. In fact..forget the whole dream thing. If it was a physical universe would you be asking the same questions?

It leaves him open to other possibilities. It means he isn't fixed on Christianity.

I think he changed it to fit his personal identity..not the other way around. Thats why it's so easy to tell him other possibilities. Yeah you can categorize those types of Christians but a hard Christian won't accept this at all.

And what if they did? I'm not arguing that fact. Rules are meant to be bent, broken, and everything in between. My point is that it is a dream and as the dreamer you are currently slave to the dream. You can't fly if the dream made you a squirrel.

Well..if it's his identity then he has redefined what it means to be a Christian. Because as a few people have now stated those that consider themselves Christians also understand that this is the only way. Any other way will not result in liberation. So here he has redefined the rules. I can do that too. So can everyone. But then what is left of that structure, that identity, if everyone is willing to pull it apart.

Sure. You have to first study physics. The laws of the dream. But think of like this. Is light a wave or a particle. Well it depends. The double slit experiment reveals that it can be either depending on how the experiment is conducted. You are the one collapsing the wave. Just like Schrodinger's cat. Is it in the box before you open it? No. So do the laws exist before you experience them or see them? No. Reality unfolds just like a video game. Frame by frame. The current frame IS all of it wrapped up in one.

Exactly @Carl-Richard @Sincerity Let's say you became lucid in one of your dreams at night. Would this mean you would automatically be able to break the physical laws of the dream? No! Of course not! The physical laws of the dream were put in place to keep the universe of the dream intact. Now..can you transcend them in some mystical way? Yes once you have become lucid all possibilities are on the table. But it is not a free pass and doesn't automatically mean you can override the physical laws. This is because there are certain limits that have been put in place (the ego) to assist in the enjoyment of the dream. These rules aren't easily bypassed.

I'm not sure i understand. So I'm a crypto-materialist because I've realized that reality is a dream but I still enjoy observing the physical laws that exist within the dream? Sorry if my question sounds dumb I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from

Ok but you see he does not make Christianity his identity. You can see that in his words. He isn't coming out with the real reason he remains a Christian but it's not because of Jesus.

All religions hold that it's just that Christianity wears it on its sleeve.

And Switzerland has good health care.

Both superpowers. I don't know maybe it has something to do with it? How quickly they forget that both also saved the world from Hitler but what have you done for me lately.

Then this chart is worthless to me if the perception changes like the stock market. What do you do with the stock market? You're in it for the long term and you don't sell when it dips up and down

Precisely. But they ignore it. They turn the other cheek. It's plain and as clear as day right in front of them but it doesn't matter. A fleeting thought. If they choose to look further it would threaten their entire identity. Once you make it your identity it's over.

Open minded to other possibilities? Those exist? Show me some. I haven't found any yet and i have been inside Churches. If they exist then they would also ponder other avenues.

Smile.

They wouldn't be much of a Christian now would they then. Some problems are better left unsolved.