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Gotchya. Yeah everyone's awakening is unique to them. That's awesome though congratulations.

Just a realization? Was there any type of energy or anything that filled your body or was it just a conceptual realization? You were sober correct? I'm just asking because my awakenings were kundalni and then I accessed mystical states of consciousness. If it was awakening proper you should have become God and had ego death. That's why I ask. If it's just a conceptual realization that's not awakening.

Did you have a kundalini awakening?

I'm not disagreeing with that but we can also be in the relative and have perspectives. I think that's what @zurew was pointing out. We need to be flexible and shift between the relative and absolute. From the relative, we have a POV and it appears that we are these humans interacting on a forum

There are facets of the Absolute that can be absolutely realized. These are indeed Absolute Truths. Such as that reality is indeed non-dual and Infinite at the deepest level. But it doesn't make someone special to be God realized.

I think your sliding into the neo-advaita trap.here. there is a you it's just that the ego you doesn't really exist. You are just Mind.

Thats a key trap. One state of consciousness is not more special than another. However there are higher - not better - states of consciousness. Right now we are in a finite state. But we can also be in an infinite state - though as you mentioned the ego will die in such a state. It is here though, in an elevated state of consciousness that miracles can occur. Miracles of course is a relative term. But I mean here where the dream has the possibility of being altered in some fashion.

Yeah but what you are missing is that God is everything and that also includes manipulation. It just can't come from ego or selfishness.

The funny thing is when you do access these states there is no one else but you

As an ego no you won't. As Mandy said you cannot see God's face and live. It cannot come from selfishness.

Yeah agreed. That you exist at all is a miracle.

Nice. I struggle with embodiment.

True that everything is a damn miracle. Existence itself is the ultimate miracle

I was merely pointing out that miracles are possible.

No worries. Hbu?

You can look at it this way. Because everything is already God's will

Hmm that's a really good question. I think day to day I'm pretty orange.

Yes when you do access these levels of consciousness you realize nothing needs to be changed. Yet at the same time it can be possible to change but that too would be your Will as God. This sounds outlandish to a rationalist of course. And of course I am not saying I can heal or anything like that. But you are God dreaming up this dream and thus you have the ability to manipulate it as God - not as the ego.

I'm a blend of stages when I look at the model.

Yes. At the highest levels of Consciousness there are no ailments. You awaken from the dream

Spiral dynamics is just a model.

Yeah..it's kinda making you look snobby at this point Again - i guess we need to rehash. Leo did not claim he was able to cure all ailments. He claimed he discovered that it is possible in a state of God Consciousness. Miracles are possible in these states of consciousness.

That's pretty funny. Trump meditating would be a sight to see. But spirituality isn't about transcending the ego. That is just called humility. And I know a lot of us here can use. a dose of that - including you.

So is this your new criticism because the healing stuff just didn't work out? If thats the case I'm OK with it! Do I have work to do? Sure...we all do. But I think we broke it down here that what you call delusional is in fact spirituality. Whether you like that fact or not just really doesn't matter to me.

@RendHeaven yeah your late. I already dealt with Adeptus' criticism head on and cleared it all up.