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Technically yes because actually you are actuality itself! But you can get a hit on yourself if you look at your hand and acknowledge it. That's as direct as you can. Get. That's what I mean

No they are not the same.

I too have had the realization that I was nothingness..that actually was almost has hard as realizing I was alone and was hard to stomach. God is nothingness. Formless and empty. But this northingness that you ARE is a pregnant nothingness holding everything within it.. It is Infinity. And you can become directly conscious of yourself as Infinity.

@Forza21 it's not that people are empty suits..they are imaginary..they are identical to the room you are in..or the rocks outside..its just dream stuff. Your consciousness is Absolute. You are a not human that has consciousness you are Consciousness. This Consciousness is Absolute. It just imagines finitude and that it is a finite entity that co-opts awareness for itself...then in this way it can imagine there are other entities out there doing the same. But what there is is only one Absolute Consciousness.

@RMQualtrough I guess you can have a no self awakening but not realize Self. For me it was one awakening and i became Self. But for others perhaps it is two separate awakenings.

Stay away. You are headed for a psychotic break or depression. Your not ready for what would be shown to you. This is the issue with psychedelics..it's unearned wisdom and you won't be ready to process it.

@RMQualtrough if its an actual awakening to no self, the Self will be what remains and you will be conscious of Self and that you are Self. It is a shift in identity from the illusion to your true nature.

This is a trap of the ego to prevent awakening. This work is riddled with pitfalls because the ego is so cunning. You must remain open minded.

This is a trap. Be careful about that. This is one of the neo adveita traps.

Perhaps..but it's time to close.

This other guy paid him about 1k and was happy with everything.

He's already been banned 5 times. He shouldn't be here but he has an addiction to the forum and somehow I let him stay. Leo banned him last time and the software corrupted and had to be reverted back to before he was banned and i let it go. That's the only reason he's still here..and I am really thinking about changing my mind.

Really? You have balls man, I give you that.

The Truth shall set you free. That said there were people who paid nahm and were happy with the service and their growth. One such individual that I also talk to that has paid @nahm is @lesu. So Raptor is only one example and there could be many other happily paid (or not) customers. Whether they were deceived or not doesn't matter of it helped their growth. And he has told me it has helped his. I have always provided my counsel to him for free though.

And we do feel compassion- at least I do, for raptor and the whole situation. It's sad that nahms imsge is being tainted..but maybe his image was a farce to begin with. We cannot hold any bias as mods either way.

We are dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. If we lock it we will get crucified for a lack of compassion. And we do feel compassion- at least I do, for raptor and the whole situation. It's sad that nahms imsge is being tainted..but maybe his image was a farce to begin with. We cannot hold any bias as mods either way.

I expect more from you then telling someone to shut up. Next time it's a warning and you are close to being banned. We are working through this with him.

@Kksd74628 yes. This is about him not @nahm. . He needs to look within himself.. But it is easier said than done. If this is helping him right now to ultimately get to that point then fine. Telling him he is "the kind of person, etc" is not going to help him. Watch the personal attacks

@TrickypYes it seems to be the emotional damage. Paying back the money now can't fix that. Ultimately @Raptorsin7 needs to find this closure within himself. And be at peace with himself over it.

What would give you closure at this point? I think you need to address this with him face to face. Talking to us about it isn't going to give you closure. Otherwise how long do you need to let it out until you feel better ? A week? Or month? Or would dealing with nahm directly and getting closure with him directly allow you to move on?

It's only confusing because it's sp God damn counterintuitive..yet it is so simple. It's the materialist paradigm and the way we have been brought up into this story that is really the elaborate one. God has to make the illusion so elaborate that you can't even unwind it in your mind - your mind has been so conditioned to it already. But yes direct experience is king. Otherwise this can be taken on as a belief and we don't want that.

@GreenWoods exactly

Thanks man you too...i know you looked up to him a lot.

@Null Simplex nice. Yes that's it. I had the exact same awakening..it was actually the final one for me. But it was exactly as you described. Everything you thought was external is seen in this expanded state to be actually you and Iinternal, held inside your Mind..you are shown that you are dreaming all of reality. It can bring a sense of aloneness because others collapse into you so your reality is recontexualized in an instant leaving you completely alone. But it is liberating to know at the level of Being that this entire thing is ALL yours. Anyway that's awesome. You validated Solipsism although it sounds kind you have not realized no self in which there is this moment when it hits you that you, thst this entity you thought you were, was an illusion..and what remains is Pure Consciousness or Awareness..this is bliss! You die.. for this is recommend self inquiry. . But that's awesome man!!

No self is one thing....but to say no self..no God realization. No this is.belief and thought. Let thiughts go..this is going to hinder someone more than help because they may never explore conscioisness further or soak up the teachings here. There is an existential aloness when it is realized that all of reality is being held within your consciousness..when you are shown this directly..it is a shock. It can lead to destabilization or depression. Spirituality is dangerous. But yes if there were people who were unstable or turning this work into dogma or delusion then it's better to just tell them to get away from spirituality altogether rather than fill there minds with there is no you...that would make an unstable person worse