Inliytened1

You'd be surprised. Spirituality can be turned into it's own religion.

There still has to be a spiritual practice. There was for me and there was for them..otherwise It just turns into a belief. That's very dangerous. They can just convince people there was never a self. And then it's no different then Christianity.

And by the way. It could have been all the seeking that led to the spontaneous drop.

I heard that too from what I have seen from what was posted here. Well if awakening happened just out of nowhere I still think it's a disservice to newcomers to tell them it never existed. It "dropped" for him even by your account. That means it was there before it dropped. The problem i see with these guys is they make it about concept. If they say it never existed then it could never have dropped. And if they tell newcomers it never existed then how would they ever be able to self reflect or self inquiry to drop the self. Not everyone will have it just drop when going to the grocery store. Not many at all. Even meditation doesn't get most people anywhere.

I apologize.

I want you to look within yourself. Your whole life you have you believed you are some entity that exists? Or do you believe you are just things happening. The body moving with nothing in control. For me I thought i was an entity behind the eyes. A soul. That had to be shattered with awakening. And awakening was through meditation. I asked you how did Tony come to know he never existed.

Inflammatory and ignorant is quite relative. Rather than declare they are ignorant it would be much more intelligent of you to explain or depict why they are ignorant from your perspective. But you didn't do that. And if calling it like I see it is Inflammatory then so be it. All I'm saying is that it seems you wanted to make a post where everyone saw both sides of the dialogue. Well.. if you wanted that you should have just kept it between you and AI.

If you posted a Chat GPT dailogue between a christian and the Buddah i would have said the same. I have strong opinions about this because i don't want to see anyone deceived. So yes I have strong opinions. But it doesn't mean you have to get all bent out of shape. I want to hear your opinions too.

So you have no bias towards the Parson's perspective vs Nisargadatta? If so why did you become so defensive when I felt one was awakened and the other was not? You can lash out at me all you want but that was not a normal response that you gave me. Rather then reacting with thoughtful opinions or intelligent feedback you just said. OK thanks boss. But you want to block me.

@VeganAwake talked about them long before you did here. i had all i need to know. But I wanted to know from you since you seemed to get so defensive when I preferred one teacher over another.

@PurpleTree @VeganAwake is the king of this neo-advaitan crap and he posted it for years long before you were here. I don't need to study these guys personally because I can easily see from what was posted here. Go back and read his posts

@PurpleTree you're obviously getting very defensive about Parsons..sorry I struck a nerve.

I've seen what people post about him and Jim Newman. You're not the first. And I've seen a few Jim Newman videos. And I've had fans of both post videos here. I don't need to delve into their content to know they are fake. But I did give you the benefit of the doubt to tell me more about their content then what is often posted here.

Exactly. But learn to shift between the Absolute and the relative.

And what did he say about how he came to realize the self never existed? Did he gather this conceptually? I can bet you he did.

The GPT stuff is nice but I don't think it actually captures the individuals enough. It's fun to look at it guess but too mechanical.

Yes. It began with no self. Then nothingness. But I think nothingness was the most shocking.

He hasn't said that in a while I think he's matured past that point. It's like saying hey "I'm stronger than you so go sit down". Being a bully leaves you in a very lonely place. So I think he's bullying days are over and he has become too conscious for that. At least I hope so. Besides..proving he's more conscious than dream characters really can't be that fulfilling. But what's your take on Solipsism itself. What direct realizations have you had (or awakenings - where are you on the spiritual path to discovering what is true) and if you haven't had any then what is your take on the ontological structure of reality based on contimplation.. .do you believe it is material or made of mind? Since we are having a discussion I'd just like to get a baseline or where you stand on certain metaphysical poiints. Thanks in advance !

Yes agreed this is very true. But I wouldn't even start with God is Solpsism because it's too far advanced. Start with what the heck am I. But to your point don't expect that you will ever have all the answers. After all Infinity always has more.

But why do you assume that this logic has to apply to infinity? After all didn't infinity first have to create that logic?? So why is it limited to that? By your logic God could never have created itself because this would defy "logic".

right..but aren't you applying this to reality? What if there was something outside of even that where none of this would even apply? It's the same concept of there being other minds within the same dream. Only what we are saying here is that there are separate dreams each on their own island with their own language and their own separation. The rules of this reality don't apply to that one..and vice versa. So when I say separate dreams I'm only saying that from my finite perspective. They really aren't separate they are each their own entity. The point is there would be nothing to prevent this in essence.

Yes but assume language is limited here. What you are failing to see is that language IS limited. Look at it from the perspective that we are trying to describe something that isn't describable with language but we are doing the best we can. So when we mean separate we mean something prior to the conceptual meaning of separate that you would use in this reality. Think outside that box and you will get the Infinity of Gods.

And?

It's very interesting..the whole premise. Because other isn't other if it's in a different reality. It got me thinking as to what would be the difference between other Gods and other minds within the same God or the same reality. And the answer is simple. The difference is the shared dream. The dream can't be shared because then there would still have to be someone or something sovereign over that too. So the only way it could truly be possible is if they were all completely isolated from each other and all thus completely sovereign. Yet as soon as they interconnected or you interconnected with them they would be swallowed up by you.

Has anyone asked Tony how he came to such a conclusion? Was it just a sudden insight? Was it for you? Most are not that fortunate if it truly was awakening. You know this. You have done meditation because I've seen you speak about it. So there was one who meditated. Or one who embraced actuality.