Inliytened1

At the deepest level it's identical.

Again you are coming at this with hidden. Metaphysics. There is no you..there is only Absolute Being. That is all there ever was. You are not. Isness is issing. Just make a shift in consciousness. . Meditation can trigger it but you thought that was gay. Are you really serious about discovering Truth? Try self inquiry meditation. If you can realize there is no you directly the rest will open up for you. It's just mind stuff. All content is mind stuff. Reality is just a singular Infinite Mind. What to do with all of this? Don't believe me, do the spiritual practices and try to verify these claims.

Shin showing off his wisdom again Love you bud.

Indeed Just wanted to point that out

I was basically saying, yeah but who cares if he is? do you need him to be a certain way to live up to your expectations? if you have to point it out in a post then maybe its triggering you in some way.

I love you to death man and agree with your stance on meditation but may I ask here why someones arrogance would trigger you? And if one is become conscious of God or God realized why would they ever hero worship a projection of their own mind? I mean you could if you wanted but if you knew it was you wouldn't that be a charade you are putting on for yourself to keep yourself in the illusion ? Are you sure it's not just that it really bothers you that Leo thinks you can't awaken if you haven't taken psychedelics? That's just his style of teaching...if you haven't noticed..your not going to change anyone's mind on this forum..the attempt is fruitless.. they're only going to make a paradigm shift if they actually want to...the irony of this is the teachings are to be open minded yet almost everyone I see on the forum is paradigm locked. So I wouldn't waste too much time trying to change Leo or anyone else I would just do your own thing

@Gregory1 well said. @Rilles time away is good. This place really is just a lounge to shoot the shit... Good luck to you sir and if you change your mind that's fine too you will be welcomed

that's what this is...its an appearance of division. lets' look at the top sentence. You are the whole tree, and you are imagining that you are being one pariticular leaf. so you are not being the other leafs... Who else would be being the other leaves then? or maybe the other leaves are just being imaged by you as the tree? And when you stop being the leaf and realize you are the tree, you see this. You can't get around Oneness as much as you are trying.

why do you have to force yourself to get over this? you still have some attachments to this world. That's OK. You have an eternity to awaken.

@Iesu ?

@Iesu God doesn't have to be alone. All it has to do is go back to sleep.

Well before we even discuss time as being imaginary...let's look at the 1st part. Language is dualistic so when we talk we can't help but include time..so If you and he are absolutely identical..then that would mean there could be only a single actuality. In other words, you as God could not be actually experiencing multiple points of view simultaneously - because you as God are experiencing this particular one. And so how could "he" if he is you, be experiencing "his" or "yours" without you? You see you are God. You can't "miss" anything because you are everything. So some experience cannot be happening without you! If he is you, then dualistically speaking at some point you will BE him. But you are not being him now because you are being you! You can't be him without you being there to do it !

But I can also ask you- Why can't "i" and "you" be identical ? And then if that's the case why do you assume this One Mind or God experiences all forms simultaneously? Could you be sliding in a hidden assumption that things are happening "at the same time" notice that time is an imaginary dimension like space.

that's because the ego doesn't wan to die again, or have a psychotic break. when this is actually realized directly you will be in such an expanded state of consciousness that there will be no separation between you and the walls or you and other people. you will be on the verge of a psychotic break or you will actually have a psychotic break. You will realize that you are God and that there is nothing outside of You. But the ego doesn't want this, so now it just is very busy keeping you deluded from the Truth or casting doubt over your awakening. I have been there myself. The ego has to keep you deceived. If you are not deceived, you couldn't exist as @jimwell

we have AI now. AI will be all you can ever create. You have to first realize that Consciousness is fundamental, and Infinite. When you grasp this you will be able to answer your question as to whether or not an actual conscious being could be created. RIght now you are coming from the materialist paradigm, thinking things have consciousness. Science will never be able to grapple with consciousness, because science is held within consciousness.

What i have found is that quieting down the egoic, finite mind, which cannot grasp infinity because it IS infinity, via meditation, can produce a shift in consciousness to becoming infinite, or becoming Infinite Mind or the Godhead. Which is Infinite Comprehension or Omniscience. It's precisely like the analogy you have made with the castle and the bricks (the bricks being 1st order). 2nd order cannot grasp 1st order because it is a part of first order..but 1st order can grasp 1st order. The finite mind is 2nd order. Or you could say that Mario is 2nd order and the pixels he's made out of are 1st order. Mario cannot grasp the pixels because he comes from pixels. The castle cannot grasp the bricks because it is made of bricks, it just needs to be the bricks. Or in other words, it needs to realize that it IS the bricks. Or The self reference problem - Oneness cannot point back at itself, because anything it uses to point back at itself, is itself, so it can't. It just IS itself, or has to realize directly that it IS itself. This realizing directly or shift in consciousness can be triggered by quieting the mind. I have done it, others have done it. Granted, i meditated for like two weeks. And I've also just had spontaneous awakenings, and awakenings from self inquiry which is keeping the mind active in a sense..and If people have been meditating for years and not getting anywhere, that's where i would recommend psychedelics. @Consiliencemay disagree here and he may be right..consciousness can elevate over time where that breakthrough or mystical shift can happen- it just may not make sense to go 20 years when psychedelics can take you right there in weeks. But i would stress they need to be grounded first...we've seen all too often how an ungrounded invididual consumes psychedelics after listening to your videos and becomes unstable after being shown such profound Truths they were not ready for.

Ain that the Truth

yeah but at the same time i think it is hard to talk about these topics because language is inheritently dualistic, so saying Your WIll can be immediately deemed to be egoic, selfish will, but i dont think that's what he means here. He means Being or Infinite WIll, which is really identical to Being. Being/Will/Infinity its all the same really. But it's not the selfish egoic will we often think about. Just like "omnisicience" can be deemed to be some selfish power trip but notice that all might be a finite bias of the egoic mind. It's very tricky stuff. He has also stated in the past that God's relinquished its Will entirely because it is Absolute Infinity,which i agree with from my own path. And in a pure Infinite state, God does not see any distinctions or any differences between anything. It must allow all things to exist, and if it disallowed "one pariticular" thing, making a distinction, then it would not be Absolute Love. Thus, in a sense, God forfeits its WIll. That is what Infinite WIll is, actually.

The problem is you are coming at this with the hidden assumption that there is in fact a subject having an experience of an object...that is a duality... "He" is not "having" an experience, nor are you, because in actuality there is no one to have an experience, that is an illusion, or otherwise put, something being imagined. That would mean there is a you over there that "has consciousness", and objective reality over here, and you have consciousness of such objective reality. That's not how reality is. Or another way to put it is "he" does not "have" consciousness. That is the egoic state of mind co-opting consciousness, in order for the dream to manifest, or "physical" reality to manifest. But, in truth, there never was a subject having an experience of an object. And this duality of subject/object can collapse with a shift in consciousness, thus revealing in actuality there is only Being. Being! This, right here, for itself! Take all the you's, he's, me's out of it...its just ISNESS!! That will be God Consciousness... Can you make that shift?

Stop making Truth about Leo, its not.

Your just jealous

I let go of it for a while but then I always ended up gaining too much weight and seeing health impacts. So now I just made going to the gym (I do both strength training and cardio) a lifestyle and I dont ever plan on going back to the old lifestyle. This is the most healthy. Also it's OK if you have a little ego and stare at your arms or abs..I still do it too

Well since you stated in a reply that you aren't completely sure...but your intuition is telling you..ide say you have a strong intuition which is necessary to awaken from the dream. Keep going. But take nothing on as dogma..The realization of what others are lies in the realization/awakening of no self and the subsequent collapse of the self/other duality. And of course there are awakenings into the nature of reality that will allow everything to come together nicely and give you a complete picture. This takes years. As to how you handle the Truth after ...well remember you just said you had a feeling it was a Truth you weren't really supposed to know.... but when you are ready to actually know and you awaken from the dream you won't be asking us how to deal with it. You'll take back your authority as both the player and the developer/creator of the dream..

It's Infinity. It just IS. Serious or fun is a duality that it creates. Which one it is is relative to your finite bias. It's a relative Truth.

Being encompasses knowing- but knowing does not encompass Being