Inliytened1

Work on your English please. The grammar is starting to be a hindrance.

Interesting point. But I can tell you that most enlightened beings do not need psychedelics. This is because they are already gifted. Leo is an interesting case indeed. He was gifted with intelligence and intuition but he was not gifted spiritually. He needed stronger tools then meditation. Most masters require little to no tools. I meditated for two weeks if that.

Because they didn't need psychedelics. Leo is the only master I know of. I didn't need them.

Brainwash city right here unless you are being comical. Sad part is I don't think you are. Please tell me you are.

I didn't say it was negative I said it's not necessary in this work.

That is personal development and it's subjective. It is not spiritual work. You can die spiritualy or actually without ever confronting the ego's fear of death. The ego is an illusion. Thus, your death is an illusion.

Yes. He has excellent teachings. But ultimately you must take these teachings and awaken for yourself- and thus transcend them. When you do you will not be here any longer- or if you are you will here in the capacity of a teacher. This is what he wants for you. To realize you are God. This is what any teacher wants. For you to take back your authority and thus no longer hang on the whim of another.

He won't because when he reads this he will know I'm trying to teach you guys something.

Leo can kick me outa here if he wants.

I'm gonna say this once and only once. You do not need to harm the physical body. Spirituality has nothing to do with the physical body.

I am not a follower I am simply saying thinking about killing yourself has zero to do with spirituality. If you think it does you are way too far up his ass.

It's absolutely sad that you would kiss someone's ass so much that it would lead you to the brink of suicide. Because it's so raw. Jesus man.

I do have every idea. But you don't because you hold your breath on every word some guru says. Need I say more? And yeah I've awakened without ever contemplating suicide. It's feasible and in fact contemplating suicide from the ego's perspective is more ego. Its selfishness. You don't know what you are talking about.

I mean it gave him Truth in bits and pieces because you are relying on a substance. When you awaken sober you get the whole deal all at once. You don't rely on some external substance, imaginary or not, to feed you Truth.

No Mind and Infinite Mind are One. We have been telling you this from the beginning. Zero is Infinity. It's two sides of a coin. You have watched Leo's personal path and you have watched him embrace no mind vs Infinite Mind. But you now see that it is one. Infinite Mind or omniscience is indeed found in quieting the mind. But that is only because ultimately they are one.

This has absolutely zero to do with spirituality. Zero. The body and ego are imaginary which makes death imaginary. Spiritual death IS death. Not the harming of the body that is all part of the dream...this is not spirituality it was personal development for one guy - Leo. And he should never have posted it. @Thought Art was right to question his leadership but more importantly he shouldnt be questioning his leadership he should be questioning his own following.

Stop waiting and live your life.

What is "necessary" is relative to the individual...that is the whole point. This isn't necessary unless you make it so. Again- moral of the story is carve your own path.

Let's be clear. Your existence itself is a bias. But there is no need to entertain further biases. And the need to face the fear of extinction is simply extending the web of biases. You should never, ever, need to hold a gun to your head. Or stand at the edge of a cliff and question jumping. If you want to die and realize God you don't have to harm the physical body. There is no NEED. How many damn times have we said this here ?

There won't be a you if you do that. There's nothing innately wrong with that either. But Goodness is free of bias. What did he say after he faced his own fear of death? That there was no need to jump. This means that his feeling that there was a need to face it in the first place was also a bias of the ego. There is no need unless the ego places that need apon itself. If it teaches you this then some goodness can come from it.

Suicidal thoughts are not deep stuff they are biases. The ego has a bias against even the fear of death. It is self deception and it should be called out. I'm not saying the poem wasn't brilliant it was. I'm also not saying Leo is not God realized although I think due to psychedelics his awakening was fragmented. I'm saying the lesson here is that all humans are finite and you must be your own authority, as @BlessedLion so eloquently points out. His comments were brilliant.

@BlessedLionI'm impressed. All well articulated. You are right...one should never need to contemplate suicide. Gura lost his way I'm just glad for his sake he found it. There is no need for this. There is nothing innately wrong with a fear of death. That is something manifested by the ego. Simply put, that is just a bias against the fear of death. The only good I see coming from it is that guys like @Thought Art see the finitude in teachers they have once past placed on pedestals. These teachers are human, but reflections of you, no matter how seemingly brilliant. And the poem was pure brilliance. Yet they are you. They are your own mind. Because you are God. You are Infinite Brilliance. They are both you as the Infinite AND the finite. The perfect, AND the imperfect.

Helps you awaken (self inquiry can awaken you) Post awakening come full circle and embrace the ego. Merge self-actualization and spirituality.

When you become pure infinity all of that merges into One. And it's not even definable because you ARE it. Call it Infinity. Love. But it is just an Absolute Singularity

Can you elaborate?