Inliytened1

The presence of God you are feeling is not because of the Christain Church. The presence of God you are feeling does not source from the Chrisitan Church. It is a trick of the ego to walk into a place of God after awakening and feel the presence of God more deeply. It is really within you. The house of God was always within you - it is the ego that gives it it a physical place in this realm with which to believe it is there. But it was always within you.

Going to a church will do nothing. After awakening to God - stepping foot in a Church will feel different. Because now you understand that God exists. But prior to that - stepping into a Church does nothing. If I am speaking out of context I have not read your earlier exchange. I'm just not sure if I have to.

The point is you entertained other possibilities. Many are completely closed off to this.

No. It was your open mindedness. This can't be given to you.

No one can talk Christianity out of you. You have to have an open mind and then be willing to do spiritual practices alone - by yourself - looking into your self. Meditation and self inquiry- to name them. You must be completely free of bias to find Truth. If your mind has binded to a particular belief then you are paradigm locked and will remain trapped within the dream. The only way to wake up from the dream to is be to be completely free of this, and open minded and curious.

I just wanted to probe into you to see if it was sincere or if it came from selfishness. Clearly it was indeed sincere

That is a show of compassion. I knew you had it in you.

I'm glad I got a chuckle then I was just playing with you because I like you. So I will only apologize if you think it's the mature thing to do. I actualy don't know if you are enlightened or not. You could be. We've grown together through the years. You weren't back then...but time has passed. I'm glad we are on this journey together brother.

He doesn't have to apologize. He did so solely from his own guilt.

Then neither does Leo.

I think you need to backtrack and tell them that Mind - infinite Mind - is not human. That does make it alien. But to elude that it is some type of space alien is misleading. God doesn't say - hey I'm an alien.

What you have to realize is the you is not there. It's an illusion. There isn't an entity behind the eyes. Then you will realize Self. But Self is not something that can be explained here.

You can start then, by apologizing to me. For all of your arrogant acts on the forum. I think you have misled us in many ways. And while you may be wise in your own way - you are far from an awakened being. So I don't think your advice counts for much.

I am speaking much deeper than you understand. This is not about other people this is about him. Apologizing is correct by what measures? By the human measure. If he wants to transcend that - then he will understand that this is people pleasing. People pleasing only brings more desire and more ego. Compassion does not encompass people pleasing. Compassion comes from within.

There is no they in spirituality. It's sounds cliche - but there isn't. If you place Truth into a model than you will always remain within the model.

Placing spirituality on a spiral dynamic model is also a trap. Because then you will assign the highest point to another color, always missing what is being pointed to - that which is prior to models. I would abandon the model altogether or run the risk of being trapped within it.

Leo - grow a pair. Do not be sorry for anything. This creates guilt. Realize that this is part of your growth and move on. Be compassionate in your actions not in your reactions.

@Holykael @Hojo I just hit the velocicoaster at Universal. And let me tell you guys - it makes reality look like a kiddy ride! I highly recommend!!!

He is correct .they don't produce enlightenment... just like meditation doesnt... but they both may act as a catalyst. Enlightenment can be also completely spontaneous as well, the catalyst being suffering, previous life experiences...or no catalyst at all. Simply because enlightenment is fundamentally prior and all "causes" or held within it. It is Absolute.

It will be total Omniscience. It isn't one thing and it can't be explained here. But it is Omniscience.

Yes you did. You just forgot. You dealt your own cards then removed the dealer from the game. And now your pissed about the hand you got. Oh well. Get over it

Yes, the mind wants a ground Of course you assume your keys are "there"...you are acting out a role in a most elegant play. As long as you imagine they are there, that's all that is required. The mind is the only fuel necessary.

Quantum mechanics debunked materialism decades ago. But no one wants to acknowledge the ramifications of what was uncovered by guys like Neils Bohr, Einstein, and others. Simply because its so outlandish. It's like something out of a science fiction movie. But the kicker is that science fiction movies themselves had to come from somewhere. The mystical nature of reality is laid bare - its just that our logical minds turn the other cheek. It's simpler for us to imagine there is an external reality -because whether there is or not has no bearing on the fact that we live a world that says there is

There is nothing wrong with him other than he is a selfish individual. The word individual is selfishness.

You have no appreciation for God's masterpiece because you only care about yourself. That IS the masterpiece. Can you not appreciate the brilliance in that? It's precisely because you cannot that appreciation is even made possible or created at all.