Inliytened1

It's horrifying, but more satisfying than a heroin high.

Its more egoic games. I suppose there is cessation of consciousness too, and a whole bunch of other crap.

That would be too nice of us. And we aren't nice around here....

There's no one to realize no self. It's called no self for a reason. It's ego death. It has nothing to do with the ego.

Its getting in touch with actuality. Hold out your hand and be conscious of its existence. NOW. Its that

I love this

thats why i said Absolute Love includes both relative human love and relative human hate. But human love is just a part, not the whole. Just as the finger is part of the hand.

@Unlimited When you wake up from the dream, you can't take the dream characters with you. But you will wake up.

Love and hate are a duality that collapse into a Metaphysical LOVE which is an Absolute, not a relative, human Love. Relative human love is still part of the Absolute Love though, but also the Absolute Love includes relative, human hate.

it's much worse than that - he doesn't even exist outside of your mind.

Remember in the end you are only arguing with yourself - and THAT is the deepest awakening. There is no one to fucking teach because they are all in your mind. I'm just bored, so i'm on a forum talking to myself. Realize THAT. @dualnon centerlessness is indeed bullshit

You can be advanced spiritually and still an asshole. But this person obviously lacked compassion for you and understanding, so in my opinion isn't really that advanced. If he was he would have shown humility and when you told him you were in a bad place, he would have been able to apologize. If he didn't do this he's not as advanced as you think. A big sign of spiritual advancement is flexibility. You can be many things - your identity isn't set in stone. If he didn't display any flexibility, he probably isn't that advanced or awake at all.

You'll run into strange loops when the finite mind tries to capture the infinite.

There's a trap in that too. Be careful to mistake Leo's words for egoic. Maybe he is in the black hole and you're not. Consider it.

But you see, this does nothing.

Remember the metaphor I think Leo used about falling into a black hole? Once you fall, you know, but you can't make anyone else fall into the black hole because there is no escaping it to bring back anyone else - not even for light.. They have to jump by themselves, or fall in.

Its probably very annoying to hear people say psychedelics cannot awaken you or put you in a non dual state of consciousness. (Sorry for using the term non-dual) so I can empathize with him. At the same time, meditation can shift your consciousness into states you could not dream of, so that's bullshit too.

Christ what happened to my group hug.

Notice that you are conflating the ego's will with God's will here. Why is God's will such way? Well, thats like a castle asking other castles why the bricks made a castle - or something like that. You're asking the question from 2nd order, when the answer is at 1st order.

Group hug

He knows just fine. Why dont you start thinking for yourself like he does before you cast judgement.

There's no such thing as a serious meditator. It's a means to an end. Don't get attached to that either.

You sound like a brainwashed neo-advaitan who didn't take his medicine today. At least make it sound like it's coming from your own brain.

Is God still God if he completely forgets he is God? Ponder this carefully. If God forgets he is God and imagines he is some limited form - like yourself - is he still God? Remember the groundless nature of reality. Because reality is Infinite there is nothing outside of it that can reference it. The Self reference problem. It cannot point back at itself - so, it just is itself. Or it can just be itself. Now - if God then forgets he is Infinite, is his limitation absolutely total? Or is there some rulebook somewhere "over there" that says he's still God and he's still Infinite? If that's the case wouldn't that make him limited? If so wouldn't that also be a ground?

That's because Consciousness cannot be answered.