Inliytened1

God has spoken.

What's fun about being normal? I think Truth lies in the abnormal. It would be found too easy otherwise.

I am very like you in that regard. I would say this. If you woke up from the matrix, and went back into the matrix and started telling people that there is such a thing as awakening from the matrix- most will tell you you were insane. But until they wake up from the matrix - that's all you can do to point them in the right direction. Do you stop doing it just because they think you are spitting a bunch of lies? Or because you sound to them no different from the preacher down the road who says God is a bearded guy in the clouds? Should you just stop and not do anything? I say nay. I say even if you can point a single person to Absolute Truth - you have done a selfless act.

I haven't read the entire dialogue between the two of you...but I think where he is coming from is that anything can be turned into a dogma. Even if you are enlightened and everything you say is absolutely true, you come off as a preacher - so it's better to say nothing at all. Plus - and this is my own little addition - If you are God then really what is the point anyway? You are talking to dream characters. @Carl-Richard am I onto something here?

I think what he is saying is that as a human you are not going to be in an infinite state of consciousness. Even during awakening the ego dies and there really isn't any physical form. But post awakening the ego returns and so does a limited state of consciousness. Think about it. If you are a player in a video game would you know everything before it happens? No - that would defeat the point of playing the game in the first place. That would be like being in the game in God mode. There would be no point in playing because you already know everything there is to know about everything from every angle of the game. So what you do is you limit yourself down.

You ARE Infinity. You just don't realize it yet. So you don't become aware of the Truth, you become it. It's not separate from you to where the subject is you and the object is Truth. Realizing Truth is the collapse of all duality - most importantly the subject and object.

You don't experience it as you. That's the key misunderstanding. It's not something the ego can experience. You will die and become God. Do commence with self inquiry and meditation and or 5-Me0.

Being or Actuality is fundamental and prior to knowing. Knowing in the way you are describing it is interpretation. Being is prior to interpretation. Maybe you are talking about Being and not interpretation. Understanding is Being really. But that is different from interpretation.

Wait a minute...it was YOU that was thinking about trophies of awakening was it not? You are so distraught that awakening won't help you NOW.. so much so that you have constructed in your mind a reality in which it DOES. That it solves boredom, and suffering. Well - it really doesn't do that. It awakens you to the Truth about yourself and reality - which end up being the same thing. That in of itself can do wonders. But the spiritual ideology that you will never again be prone to these things is just that.

How do you know he hasn't had awakenings ? You surely don't.

There are. Is there a @Carl-Richard?

We probably both sound like AI now But it is about realizing you are God. Ask AI if that is the point of life. It will probably give you some scripted answer as to all the possibilities. But there is only one.

@Razard86 @Breakingthewall its easy for you guys to say that because both of you are already wired and geared for this stuff. Try explaining any of this to your mom. It would fly straight over her head - and she may be smart as a whip. Even Einstein himself failed to cross into mysticim. Strong words though.

Nice chat, but you are still missing that consciousness is you. Death is irrelevant.

It's a valid criticism but you can do it in a more open minded way. No, of course not. I'm glad you questioned plenty. But maybe you didn't question enough. At least keep that card on the table. He's wrong that enlightenment cannot be had without pyschedelics. This is a serious error. In fact I would suggest the opposite. That enlightenment can only happen without the use of pyschedelics. But I am also open that I could be wrong about that. But I doubt it. You see, Leo, in all his brilliance, actually found the Truth, through all of his contemplation. But he didn't find it for himself. He spread it to those genetically gifted enough to become enlightened - while he himself chased a ghost. This is probably the saddest thing about Actualized.org. but hey, it's really not sad at all if he was able to awaken at least one person. That alone made this business more valuable than Tesla.

Infinity is opposite to finite. So there is still duality built in. We also, or to put it into proper context, You, still exist with no other to contrast that. This is total Oneness! This is the Aloneness of which I speak. Just pure Consciousness. There exists nothing outside of what is in your direct field of consciousness now. That's it. There isn't a billion, or a trillion, or a gazillion other experiences happening somewhere behind the scenes. I'm sorry to break that Truth to you

Saying God is Alone is no different then saying God is Infinite. Yes it is anthropoformizing for God to say it is hiding this fact, but you have to remember that you began this dream as a human- and then realized you were God. So God has a dilemma. In human form it must filter everything through the human mind while it exists in such form. So through the mind of the human it is very scared about being Alone. It is Alone, but the part it doesn't like about that is the part that is filtered through the human mind. When you had your enlightenment did you become Infinite? Did you become conscious of this or did you just become Infinite? Do you see where the line between you and Infinite blurs?

God is not a someone but God can think because God is Consciousness. Just the infinite ocean is another story you are telling yourself.

Yeah , but its not really two states. Its just the state you are in now. Two is something you have come back and conceptualized about what already is. You returned from an infinite state and remembered it. Creating a duality. You see how tricky this is. There are mine fields everywhere.

Okay. But why are you trying to dissolve the Mind? There are only states of Mind. Such as the one you are in now. So if you want to dissolve that state, just sit in meditation or take a psychedelic. Okay- well it is not relative. It is an Absolute. It is no different then the Absolute of Infinity or of Nothingness, or of no self. It is a facet of awakening. It's just that this one will be the hardest for God to come to grip with about itself. Because then it has to give up the idea of separation.

It doesn't have to. Consciousness can become conscious of something without the ego. In fact there never was an ego. So not only can it, but it always has.

Alone is not a negative. Alone is Oneness. The reason we place a negative connotation on it is because the realization of this would destroy reality. It would destroy your reality.

It means we build stories on top of direct experience to explain direct experience. But if we stopped doing that then you and direct experience would become one and you would BE that which you are now creating stories to explain. Enter religion. Enter science. Enter - an objective reality. And enter AI. Enter all of it. None of this needs to ever enter, but it does because it's not really fun for God to actually just sit with what it is. It has to spin a whole bunch of fancy bullshit to really wet its tongue. Otherwise, well, it has to come back to itself. There's a time for that, sure, but the build up is what it's all about. The suspense.

This would seem correct using logic. And this is truly the crux of the matter. And yet ,- logic just doesn't apply here. To be awake is to realize total Oneness. That there truly isn't anything outside of your mind. That all persons, places, and things are held within your mind. But there's no you, so how can that be? Well, again, it can, because you are not you, you are God. The one and the only. It's just so hard for us to ever want to admit this. The admittal of such a point would dare to nullify all that we have made real here. And so we do not dare. But notice that you spend a lot of time here explaining reality? If there isn't a you to explain reality then what is doing it? The void? My friend, this is the void. The void isn't something objective.

It depends on your definition of experience. By experience I mean isness. You are adding something onto isness. Be careful of how your mind will create stories on top of isness. If you want to say experience is not a good word because it assumes an experiencer than just say that you prefer a better word. But aomething that happens is something you are adding on to what is absolutely direct. So you can call it what you want.